I must admit that when this relationship first began, I believed in it. I knew it was a mistake (being an actress myself in "Hollyweid") and knowing facts about the real Ms. Kidman, but I hoped it wouldn't last.
Keith does not have the capability to live that kind of a lifestyle and I knew what it would do to him.
I also knew Kidman was more wrong than right for him.
As time went on, I began to see more & more what the "skeptics" were seeing. And it continued.
In retrospect, no matter how much positive PR was put out there, their actions spoke much louder than words...volumes in fact.
My observations:
They met in January '05, Nicole gave Keith her contact information, he never called her.
From January to September, he was seen with the infamous brunette on a few occassions.
Their first "date" was in July '05 and yet, they were engaged by October...3 months? For someone who was in two long-term relationships, doesn't this seem a bit odd? And for someone else who was devastated by the break-up of a 10 year union, to agree to marry someone in such a short time makes no sense.
Keith met Nicole's children for the first time in December, once, at a dinner for Isabella's birthday. As far as I can tell, the next meeting with them was in the spring, and then not again til the wedding. I cannot say for sure, but it certainly seems that no time was spent with these kids since Nicole herself hadn't spent any time with them in between these time frames. We all know she spent every holiday with Keith from Nov - April.
Why would you agree to marry someone who has yet to establish a relationship with your kids?
Why would you agree to marry someone who has yet to allow you to establish a relationship with their kids?
In all of her free time, Nicole toured with Keith, showed up in Nashville with Keith, all the while, telling everyone how private she wanted it to be.
Keith, who never showed up anywhere with anyone in public in order to keep his private life private, all of a sudden starts showing up at industry events with Nicole.
Almost every single PR stunt with Keith & Nicole corresponds with big Tom & Katie news.
Immediately following a slip in an interview where she states she still loves Tom, she announces her engagement to Keith - 6 months after the fact.
At the same time People Magazine prints this and the media jumps all over it, Keith abruptly leaves the recording studio, and does not return for several days and starts pulling a diva attitude at events such as the ACM Ride when asked about it.
We all know word was out that Tom & Katie planned to marry in July originally.
Two people who insisted they would not discuss their relationship b/c they were private people, all of a sudden, announce their plan to wed a full week before the event. They allow everyone involved to talk to the media about it, agree to sell pics to the tabs, send beer out to the paps, and make sure they are seen tooling around town before their big day. They wouldn't announce their coupledom or their engagement but they announce their wedding?
Paps just happen to be waiting at the airport on their very private honeymoon destination and also, get pics of them hanging out at their very private bungaloo.
The first set of pics to be published of the happy couple look far from happy. In fact, they look like they have been together for 48 years instead of 48 hours.
Days later, we get new pics of the happy couple actually looking happy.
The honeymoon lasts a whopping 4 days total. With all of the money these two have and control over their careers, wouldn't you think they would take a nice long break?
As soon as they arrive back in Nashville, we get pics abound...going to Target, going to the gym (on a holiday when the gym is closed and when he has his own private gym in his house), at a July 4th celebration (pulling the diva attitude with the photographer and roping himself off from the rest of the establishment), etc.
In pretty much every pic of them since, they are walking 10 feet apart, one behind the other.
In every pic of them EVER, they only look like a couple when they know there is a camera on them...ever see the pics of them together when they don't realize someone is watching? They look like they would rather be anywhere but with each other.
And these observations only span up until the summer of 2006.
There are many more to be made since that time.
I believe Kidman did not count on her husband falling apart so soon. I believe she has had enough with him but the timing for a divorce is not right yet.
This marriage is already over and it is only a matter of time before she ends it.
And she will be the one to end it.
The post-rehab Keith is no better off than the pre-rehab Keith...I find this very telling...he should have been in a better place after marrying the woman he loves and he wasn't. If the substance abuse was an excuse then, by all accounts, he should be in a better place now...and yet, he still isn't quite himself yet.
This is obvious in recent interviews and performances.
Keith will not be the Keith we knew until this marriage is over and he can call his life & his career his own. Until he regains back his own identity, Keith URBAN, not Keith KIDMAN, and when he can be free of the inner conflict (the real problem) of being forced to live a life that is contrary to his nature, then the "old Keith" will re-emerge.
It is this inner conflict that has been wearing him down and manifesting physically.
That is what we have been seeing gradually getting worse over the past 18 months.
When Keith URBAN comes back, I'll be waiting.
There is a sad misconception that the "skeptics" are not "true fans"...we are...we are just not blind worshippers who cannot see beyond the infatuation some have had for Keith.
We do not own rose colored glasses that shield us from the startling comparison between the Keith in 2004/early 2005 and the Keith in late 2005-2007.
Look at the clips of performances, look at the pictures, look at his EYES. Compare.
If you do not see the difference, if you do not see the drastic changes, then you are not being honest.
Here's the difference between the "skeptics" and the so-called "true fans"...
The "true fans" are the ones who see what they want to see.
The "skeptics" see what is THERE.
27 comments:
The Skeptics are jealous shrews who think that if Keith dumps Nicole he'll run to them. Your timeline kills me. You do realize the dribble to spilled out was directly from the rag magazines. You don't have a clue as to what goes on in their relationship. No one does. Those incidents that the rags happened to plaster all over their magazines are just those meetings where the paparazzi caught them outside somewhere. You can't honestly believe those were the only times they've been together or Keith's been together with her kids. That's utterly ridiculous. You're just what the tabloids love - someone who gets sucked into the gossip, whether it's true or not! And you being a so called "actress"...I'm embarrassed for you!
I'd prefer to keep to the subject rather than bash fellow posters. Do you have anything to add to the topic or just negativity toward the poster?
If not, you ought to be ashamed.
Too funny. Why would an actress in "Hollyweird" actually care what's going on in someone's personal life.
This is what I don't understand about "skeptics". I mean the whole term is to disbelieve what's right in their faces. It's a shame to see someone being happy, that's Keith and see it being brought down by people who can't accept the fact that he's married.
The only other scary thing is that the same people who complain about him being fake are still the ones buying concerts tickets and drooling over pictures of a guy that doesn't exist in their eyes. Get it together girls. Hate him, hate her and give me my seats to the concerts.
Whether you agree with it or not, this poster took the time to write a well-thought out post attempting to explain the observations which led her to the conclusion she has come to. Instead of offering up an articulate repsonse, as usual, the only thing the opposing side can offer for a viewpoint is the same old "you're just jealous" drivel.
Yawn.
Seriously, 4:28 PM, you think he was happy? He was so happy, he had to drink the happiness away. How many people do you know that have gotten married and admitted themselves into rehab after less than six months of marriage?
It was no surprise why he went into rehab from his appearance. Pictures don't lie. There was a picture of the two of them in PEOPLE magazine that went with the first article about him going into rehab. The two of them were in London in September. They were either going to or coming from the Versace party - look at his face and tell me that is a happy camper.
Infidelity - another clue! You don't have to read the tabloids. Just ask anyone in Nashville. They won't go running to the tabloids about something like this - they protect their own!
"The Skeptics are jealous shrews who think that if Keith dumps Nicole he'll run to them."
And the non-skeptics are delusional idiots who think that by proclaiming that this relationship is the real deal will somehow get Keith to acknowledge them as "real fans". Get a grip, get a clue and get a life.
Anyone who can convince themselves that all was well with him prior to his admission to rehab is the delusionsal one.
I don't care if Keith is married to Nicole Kidman or Kenny Chesney. I just want the man happy. Prior to treatment, he looked miserable and depressed. So much for being a happy newlywed. The man went into rehab for 90 days ... four months after he was married. That tells the story to me...Instead of calling people with a different opinion than yours "jealous shrews" ... open your eyes up and see what's really been going on. It's embarrassing to think that people can put the man and Nicole Kidman up on a pedastal and not recognize the signs of distress and depression that he so clearly displayed for several months before his final unravelling. Shame on you.
Don't be so certain that all the ones who read, agree and/or comment are female.
There is really no need to name call. If you have arguments that support your theory-then post them. If you resort to name calling-that tells everyone who reads this that you have nothing. And it makes you look childish.
As far as I can see the only shrew in this is Nicole.
I truly don't believe that any skeptic thinks Keith will come running to them when his divorce is final. We leave that nonsense for those that post happy thoughts on this fan board.
anybody who believes that man looked happy prior to the wedding or on the honeymoon, or has since the wedding is an idiot, plain and simple....good grief! what does it take?
Why is it when people state they are unhappy with Keith or don't like Nicole it's supposedly always because they are jealous, want to marry Keith and any other idiotic reason?
Seriously, there may be a FEW like that but more likely NOT!
How about being pissed at Keith because of all the lies he's told fans? Misleading fans? The way he has dismissed them in the last 2 years? How about how he says one thing and acts another? How about it's because he's lost his integrity with fans? His sincerity comes of fake and rehearsed.
Some of us are actually :gasp: very happily married! Maybe we liked him for his music and that we thought he was a sincere altho an perfect human. And of course ok with that.
Maybe some of us are NOT jealous of her and have no reason to be. I don't find her attractive at all, and her so called acting abilities are lamer than the guy who played Ford Fairlane. I find her shallow, fake and so insecure she goes to the other end of the spectrum to boost her ego to hide her insecurity at the costs of others.
I just find nothing to be jealous of, infact I feel sorry for and her pathetic life and values.
As shocking as this may be, you can take it as fact! Some of you bunnies need to get over your self riteous selves in thinking everyones distate is based on such lame excuses. Really, is that all you have to drag out..is jealous and envy? Rather pathetic and a blanket statement for the lack of finding a more in depth reasoning.
Really use your little noggins and stop being so in a hurry to lump all skeptical thinkers into one box. Open your eyes and actually think. I'm tired of hearing about jealous and envy. It's plain lazy thinking on your parts. The argument against Keith and/or Nicole varies, but the argument against skeptics is tired and boring.
Keith in my opinion sold his soul to the devil. He's become a hack, a joke and and a shell of a decent human being. He was close to having it all. I hope he finds all this worth it. Which I'm guessing he won't..hindsight being 20/20.
"How about being pissed at Keith because of all the lies he's told fans? Misleading fans? The way he has dismissed them in the last 2 years? How about how he says one thing and acts another? How about it's because he's lost his integrity with fans? His sincerity comes of fake and rehearsed."
Where have people been? Obviously, you haven't been fans of Keith's for long...you just don't get it. KEITH has always, always been untruthful or mum about his private life..years before Nicole came into the picture. Why are you all getting so angry now?
EXCELLENT POST 8:41 PM! You took the words right out of my mouth! You've said it all right there. I especially have to agree with the Nicole comments. She is not beautiful or talented, and what does it say for a woman when she has to buy a husband?
For me, it has nothing to do with whether he's married or not...nor to do with WHO he is married to. It has to do with how he has changed. And not the lies about his personal life (although I think he might have come off looking better if he'd been honest)... his personal life is his. It's his withdrawal...the appearance of being unhappy and his attempts to hide from media (and fans). These are not the signs of someone in a loving relationship. And to enter rehab 4 months into a new marriage speaks volumes to me.
The man appeared unhappy, depressed and I'm going out on a limb here to say, lonely. Those in Nashville know that Kidman was there only a few weeks in total in the months leading up to and following the wedding, and he was there on his own alot. If you're cut off from your usual friends (and that did happen, by all accounts) and then, left on your own...what do you do with yourself? The wife ... who loves her new earthed home in Nashville (yeah...right) pursues her career and own lifestyle ... and he's left at loose ends.
His lifestyle was disassembled ... and so...what was he supposed to do? Unhealthy pursuits ... he was bored, folks. Rehab says it all to me. I am only hoping that he got some answers during his 90 days and can make the decisions he needs to make to be happy and healthy.
How can you tell by looking at photos how a person should look?
How do you know that rehab was really about alcohol and not something else all together.
People do things for all the wrong reasons all the time. But he must love her, hence the new tattoo. His stint in rehab was one of finding himself and making himself a better person on and off the road. That's what I don't understand about "skeptics". Look at it for what it is. You tell me how you would behave when your life is being turned upside down. Maybe you spotted him at the local Starbucks and said hello to him and then called all your friends to tell them who you just saw. But now, it's every single pap following you EVERYWHERE you go. Eating, going to the bathroom, whatever. It's got to take some time to adjust to your new found fame. Your wanting to give yourself 100% but you don't know who you are off the road. I just think he's an amazing person & sharing his demons with his "fans" is a great step.
Quit worrying about how someone looks. I guess you all are beauty queens next to Nicole. Someone's beauty doesn't have to be on the outside and I'm sure none of you have met her and discussed what it's like being hated by so many people.
the woman has earned every bit of hate she has. and as for that tattoo, it can be easily cuffed.
Okay then, if she's so wonderful, then why didnt they postpone the marriage until he'd got rid of his demons; done the rehab thing; come out stronger and better and THEN got married. That's what I dont get. If it's such a great love , then why didn't she care enough to wait? Marrying him was only going to put him under enormous pressure with the media attention and all that comes with being associated with NK. By going ahead with the marriage it says that either
1) She didn't know him well enough to have a clue what he was going through or troubling him. Thus did she really love him?
or
2) She never loved him and just used him as a commodity and a way to get more attention. They never got to KNOW each other properly.
Face it, the marriage was a mistake. Keith wasn't ready for it, and the subsequent rehab after a few short months of marriage is proof of that.
Whether you love or hate Nicole, or whether you want to debate how much of a fan you are and how horrible the skeptics are, the facts are pretty undeniable and damning.
The marriage should not have taken place when it did.
"1) She didn't know him well enough to have a clue what he was going through or troubling him. Thus did she really love him?"
...and really, you don't either, nor I. Maybe he truly thought he could kick this alcohol/drug thing on his own and didn't want Nicole to know he was struggle because he really wanted to marry her. Who the hell knows. What I'm saying is NOT ONE PERSON knows what's going on except Keith and Nicole.
"Where have people been? Obviously, you haven't been fans of Keith's for long...you just don't get it. KEITH has always, always been untruthful or mum about his private life..years before Nicole came into the picture. Why are you all getting so angry now?"
This is a very good question isn’t it? And it is one I feel that no one ever really gives much thought to. I often times have wondered why the so-called “bunnies” do not see it.
Keith was in 2 long-term relationships before - he lived with these women, was engaged to these women. The “skeptics” were not even “skeptics” then. Why?
Why no complaints of how shitty, miserable, unhappy, depressed, ego-driven, apathetic toward his fans, going -Hollywood, changing, lying, etc, etc, etc. then, with Laura or Niki?
Why didn’t we complain then? Why now & why only with Nicole?
B/c he married her? Well, then how do you explain the “skeptics” only becoming “skeptics” shortly after these two began their courtship? Months & months & months before anyone knew he would ever marry her the "skeptics" were complaining of these things.
How do you explain that? You can’t can you?
IF this was all about jealousy, it would not matter who the woman was would it?
No one ever complained about Keith being like this when he was with Laura or Niki - ever. You know why?
BECAUSE HE WASN’T.
"For me, it has nothing to do with whether he's married or not...nor to do with WHO he is married to. It has to do with how he has changed. And not the lies about his personal life (although I think he might have come off looking better if he'd been honest)... his personal life is his. It's his withdrawal...the appearance of being unhappy and his attempts to hide from media (and fans). These are not the signs of someone in a loving relationship. And to enter rehab 4 months into a new marriage speaks volumes to me."
Exactly! Well said.
"That's what I don't understand about "skeptics". Look at it for what it is."
We do. You know what I look for in pics & vids of Keith and /or Nicole? Honestly? Any single tiny, piece of evidence that they make each other happy. You know what I see when I am looking for that? What is there. And it’s not love or happiness. Not in his eyes, not in hers, not in their body language, not when they talk about each other, no where. It’s just the opposite. He used to light up like a Christmas tree when Niki’s name was simply mentioned regardless of whether or not he spoke about her...where is that with his “wife”?
"It's got to take some time to adjust to your new found fame."
HUH? New found fame? How long have YOU been a Keith fan? Keith was famous before Nicole. Maybe some of you didnt’t know that or forgot. But he was the hottest thing in country music. Maybe not over seas, maybe not in certain circles where country music doesn’t reach the masses...but Keith was no up-and-coming musician. Please.
And if my new-found fame was as “the drug addicted husband of Nicole Kidman” I’d have a pretty hard time dealing with that too. Do you know that is what an interviewer said to him during an interview...that he wasn’t well known except as “The drug addicted husband of Nicole Kidman” Nice huh?
That was a German interview btw...should have mentioned that.
"HUH? New found fame? How long have YOU been a Keith fan? Keith was famous before Nicole. Maybe some of you didnt’t know that or forgot. But he was the hottest thing in country music. Maybe not over seas, maybe not in certain circles where country music doesn’t reach the masses...but Keith was no up-and-coming musician. Please."
My point to him being in this "new found fame" was that he wasn't famous in any other circle besides country music. Up until he was with Nicole no one knew who he was outside of Nashville/country music. I highly doubt you believe that he was some overly famous musician. Most people in the music industry only look at the money aspect of it so I would say that Kenny Chesney is more famous than Keith Urban, today.
Keith Urban is no longer an artist/musician he's now the husband of Nicole Kidman who plays pop country music. That part sucks and I'll give you skeptics that, and that's it.
Until any of you can prove that he had his stuff together, I'm just going with you all being full of it.
He's the one that said it wasn't one thing that sent him to rehab it was many small things that all came together at once. And if ANY of you could understand what that's like for a person you can't be sure of his true intentions EVER. You deal with what he's been through and then you let me know.
"5:21..He's the one that said it wasn't one thing that sent him to rehab it was many small things that all came together at once.
Yeah, that's if you believe anything he says these days is anything but rehearsed answers to predictable questions. *yawn*
By the way, M&Ms are small and come many to bag. ;-)
Prove he had his stuff together? You mean before Nicole I am assuming.
Well, I can't prove it any more than you can prove they love each other but...he certainly was doing much, much better than he has been recently.
How about the fact that he sold out shows consistently in 2004 - mid-2005.
NOT heard of since.
How about that he was EOTY in Nov 2005 and was in rehab in Nov 2006.
How about that the only cover he was ever on consistently was Country Weekly - for his music.
NOT US, In Touch, The NE, Star, etc. - for his womanizing ways & drug addiction.
How about that he was a big country music star named Keith Urban.
NOT "that guy who married Nicole Kidman" or, "Keith KIDMAN"
How about that he was respected and admitred in his own industry for being one of the most talented guitar players in country music.
NOT talked about, joked about, or made fun of by DJ's, late night talk show hosts and journalists.
Sounds to me like his shit was pretty together before her.
I'm fighting a losing battle here. So as long as y'all think the worst then you'll always expect& get the worst.
Selling out shows didn't stop because he married Nicole unlike you'd like to believe.
I'm done with all of you. You'll never see anything that's right there in front of your faces. When you look back through the years, the man that was there 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 up to 2004 is here again. Mid 2004 until this year was another Keith Urban. But the original guy is here again & if you can't see that then you're really blind.
well if he is "back", then where did he go? you have to go somewhere in order to come "back". he got together with NK and totally lost himself! maybe he is on his way "back". i certainly hope so. you bunnies have no good arguments at all and you just won't admit that fact.
He lost that sparkle that hope WELL before NK. Shortly near August of 04, before the release of Be Here and before he became your "Superstar" that you like to tout today. He had too many people in his ears, too many people telling him what to do, what to wear and how to behave. He really began to lose himself then and up until rehab I didn't think he was ever going to come back.
You know, I used to go to shows 2-3 days in a row and every show was different! After August of 04 was when you go could to shows months away from each other and know the set list. If he's getting away from that and bringing back the old style, then I'm HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY!!
"I'm done with all of you"
Thank you!
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