yes, "why" the heck are you recycling this dead story????
What are you wanting to stir with this? I don't think this is fair. They weren't married then and he has been seemingly faithful all these years.
If this site is going to sink to this kind of level, then I am outa here. I am all for opinions and discussion, but not plain and simple muck-raking. sorry!
Ha! Well what I think this shows is that no matter how much celebs attempt to "re-establish" their images...they usually are stamped with a tawdry label that is beyond their control. Sure, the Natural Enquirer may be 99.9999% fabrication...but sometimes of course they get one right...do not forget they first uncovered the John Edwards cheating story, but because it was the Enquirer no one believed it...at first! When you think about it, this tabloid story MAY be a huge reason why the orb's cd "Whole Crazy" didnt sell as well as his previous cd. He may have gotten away with being the big drinking...heavy drug using...self destructive country crooner...and STILL have been up and coming in the country scene. But once he got married, and this cheating story came up he may have lost...and he certainly did...lose alot of fansies! Which would then seem to support my belief that orb hurt himself further professionally, with this recent collaberation with the napalm! Unless your a recent "reality" side show freak...with no talent other than getting on tv and being willing to debase and bicker amongst themselves...celebs with true claim to a talent or achievments who fall to the tawdry behavior of racism or cheaters dont fare too well. Just think...gibson, the aforementioned john edwards...tiger woods....jesse james...etc. Again, the stench of Napalm will also NOT leave the orb "untarnished!" And recall, the orb is exposed to that "'white supremacist' penis" and supposed "hood pass" again this month at a live gig! I for one cant wait for his next cd to come out... and prove I'm right about his career being on the wane!
To be fair, the "I regret the hurt..." comment was what he said upon going into rehab again. (Third time? Fourth time? There are conflicting reports.)
Hells bells, it's the Enquirer. Maybe they know something...or maybe they're just rehashing. Can't really tell with them. They do have a rather spotty record in between breaking legitimate stories.
So, since they're not hinting at any more info, I'll take a stab and say they're just rehashing.
Considering the Enquier never covered the story when it first happened, why bring it up now?
And he admitted in a German interview in Feb 2007 that he knew the woman in question. "people do what they do" was his comment.
The story that was in the Daily Mail on Dec 24, 2006 was that the woman in question had an affair right up to the time the engagement was announced. So he was seeing both women at the same time. In the December 11, 2006 In Touch, the story was that the woman and Urban continued the affair until October 2006 and were seen by many people in Nashville together.
But why bring this up now? There have been no other slip up by Urban that anyone is aware of. This could have died and it could have been brought up during that whole Tiger/Jesse period earlier this year but it wasn't.
Urban has had a pretty good reputation as a ladies man but not since his marriage.
Does anyone have the whole article? I would like to know if LeeAnn was listed in this article as she is a recent cheater. Why wouldn't they pick on her, but are picking on Keith instead? If she isn't listed as a cheater, then I have to believe it is some kind of PR move. Perhaps our frequent reminder that Nicole is the poor victim since she has no PR interviews to promote movies lately? I also have another question. If a false story is printed and no one sues because they don't want to have an even uglier scene, what do you do when the publication prints the same "false" story again?
...not a big deal, he just happened to be a named celebrity with a story that fit NE's captioned headline...it's NE, they'll rehash anything anybody with/without merit -- still covers Elvis, Marilyn, (and in 2010) that Superman guy from 50's (oops, don't read their stuff)...so this small..timer..K..U.....duh.....
Blue sky, the "Cheaters" in the article are: LeAnn Rimes, Morgan Freeman, Mel Gibson, Toby Keith, Paula Deen, Josh Duhamel, Don Johnson, Jesse James, Tiger Woods and John Edwards.
Nicole was on it last week because of plastic surgeries gone wrong, and before that for eating disorders or too much dieting, I can't remember how it was worded, sometimes I think they need filler copy.
I think this is PR for victim NK, other sites are recycling the alpaca story and the garden story, it is pretty late in the year to be planting a garden, as these stories have her quoting, if she's just planted, she's not getting anything, not even lettuce. So I'm thinking it's just more BS by NK for PR. We are on the up part of the PR cycle, she hasn't had to do any live performances or open her mouth, so we have to suffer through this part to get to the good stuff.
abc, whats the big deal? UM had the TabloidHound for a long time which I, for one, enjoyed. I could see what all the rag mags were putting out there without spending a dime.
The National Enquire is nationwide on full display in every grocery store and anywhere else they sell this stuff. This blog is about Keith. Not discussing this edition of the Enquire won't make it go away. The cat is out of the bag, sorry.
My own opinion, Keith would never have made the cover if he wasn't married to NK. Its more of a jab at her and her "perfect marriage" image than it is at Keith's cheating ways. As hoosierlady points out, last week it was her plastic surgery gone wrong, before that the dieting. Keith isn't the target, she is.
abc said... "If this site is going to sink to this kind of level, then I am outa here. I am all for opinions and discussion, but not plain and simple muck-raking. sorry!"
So... tell me what is the "outrage" to even contemplating that the orb may have been unfaithful? But I do find it predictable that an orb fansie will hyperventilate over this story because as they claim...orb's mouthpiece has DENIED this story...so...IT MUST NOT BE TRUE! But as I previously mentioned...FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE John Edwards, himself, denied the allegation of his "infidelity" alleged in an National Enquirer story.....and as it turned out....EDWARDS WAS LYING! HA! Now, who is willing to give orb...remember a self admitted addict and two time "rehab'er" the absolute benefit of the doubt!? Certainly not me! Orb is obviously prone to give into his baser instincts...so cool it with the frantic threats of being outta here... and just do it. Take my word for it, this site hasnt even begun to lower itself to the level of even the addict admitted...and now so plainly obvious media mongering orb! Orb wants to "play the media game" now...he has to be willing to endure the not so "pleasant" or "rosey" underbelly of the slime germinating in the industry of celebs!
I guess time does make people forget. Remember the cheating also took place after they were married. Remember the little fling in October of '06 when she was away? Then after that is when he went into rehab, because they knew it was going to come out. Don't forget about the porn star in LA at his bachelor party too.
Looks like Nicolas Cage has pulled out of Trespass, just two weeks before filming is scheduled to begin. Wonder who will replace him? http://www.deadline.com/2010/08/nicolas-cages-abrupt-departure-leaves-millennium-drama-trespass-in-lurch/
abc, he's plastic, he's not real, what you think you know is not what really is. You see what they want you to see, read what they want you to read, know what they want you to know. Back away back away, it's ok.
He's a "recovery coke addict" that some say sings and plays guitar, and she, well, she's tall, and gets to wear designer fashions alot, and reads words from a telepromter for unbelievable sums of money and then goes around the world spouting multisyllable words from her pie hole to sound important, and impress her friends.
I for sure do NOT condone Keith's lifestyle & the many questionable things he did while actively abusing drugs & alcohol. I'm sure he has quite a few female skeletons in his pre-marriage closet. But NE must really be having some slow dry times to even continue to bring this particular episode to front page. I understand they were doing a group shaming but really Keith's womanizing is at least 4 years old. He has addressed the substance abuse issues he has & he went for treatment. He will continue to battle his disease until he stops breathing. Those poor choices & those women will always be a part of his past. He can't change that. He did what he did & will always have to answer for that, as he should. I have not heard or read one shred of evidence of him committing this same lack of judgement since his marriage to Nicole. Honestly, my personal opinion, is that he was actually looking for a special lifelong committment with someone even at those low times. I honestly believe he turned to the drugs & alcohol from a lack of a singular complete relationship with someone. Sure he was engaged and sure he dated Niki for a while but notice THOSE RELATIONSHIPS DIDN'T RESULT IN MARRIAGE FOR HIM. He didn't marry until he met Nicole. There has to be a deep, life altering reason for this (I personally do NOT believe fame, money, accumulated wealth or any perks had anything to do with this marriage). I think what made this marriage possible and yes even happy and successful IS true love& respect by these 2 people involved, for each other. He can ONLY live each day now as it comes. He can ONLY "undo" the harm he's done by loving his wife & daughter with every thing he is and has. He can ONLY be a better man by the way/example he treats his wife and daughter. What's done is done but what can change is as possible as each new day in his life. I personally would rather see the "glass as half full than half empty". I would wish he never had the drug/alcohol issues but if that is what he had to go through to come out on the better side than so be it. Not a road any of us would want to take. I think he's on the best road possible now and I hope even when he stumbles & falters that he will remember the vows he took on his wedding day and that he will live them Until death does part them.
Hey hoosier, it's good to be missed! But simply, kidman's dead career no longer interests me. As Ive commented recently, Ive railed for at least 4 years online now how I believed her career was headed down the drain and why it should be...and now that it clearly is...Ive set my sole sights on the dwindling career of the orb. As is plain so far in this thread...many who seemingly have had no qualms whatsoever...and even gleefully engaged in tearing kidman a new one in these talkbacks...from alleged kidman infidelities on her ex, cruise...to fake pregnancies and lame photo ops...are now either outraged...or simply trying to "excuse" orb HIS possible disengenous indiscretions! Such as, he MAY have cheated in the past, but NOT NOW! Well, I for one can honestly proclaim THAT I AM TOTALLY "HOLIER THAN THOU"... or more precisely, "HTT" to the commenters outraged or excusing of an orb "negative" topic. For I rip the orb just as readily as I rip kidman. Again, if you've had no problems bashing kidman...dont whine if orb gets bashed...that is what this site is all about...and dont try to pretend that this is simpl and only a kidman criticising site.
Well I've missed you too maclen. Like me, you have examined NK's career more closely than most. I've heard so many say that she would never have had a career without Tom but no one ever looks beyond that statement. Its only my opinion of course, but I believe that Tom owed her a career after the divorce and that he was behind her lead roles and huge salaries all along. He was the biggest star in Hollywood and certainly had the clout with major studios to get whatever he wanted. Funny how his career hit a wall and hers followed the same path almost immediately after. Funny how they both had teflon images before that, and since then the critics have been relentless. Hes struggling with his career the same as she is...hummm.....
As for Keith. I won't defend him, I agree with you.
Mikki said: "Its only my opinion of course, but I believe that Tom owed her a career after the divorce and that he was behind her lead roles and huge salaries all along." Right on the money, you nailed it. I agree. With her on her own, she's unable to talk the talk & walk the walk. She is extremely rigid judging by the PR choices made and captured on and off camera (read about), she is not an Academy awarded material by no stretch of the imagination. She has none of artistic creativity flowing through her whatsoever. Insipid, vacuous, moronic and alarmingly uncomplicated, it really took a village to award a simpleton like this and cruise at the time would have been the only one with a possible vested interest to set her up on her own -- a great part would be a pact of sorts to establish her career but a more practical reason would be to set her up financially independent to be away from him for good.
mikki said... "Well I've missed you too maclen. Like me, you have examined NK's career more closely than most. I've heard so many say that she would never have had a career without Tom but no one ever looks beyond that statement..."Funny how his career hit a wall and hers followed the same path almost immediately after. Funny how they both had teflon images before that, and since then the critics have been relentless."
Thanks mikki...of all commentors on this blog, you and hoosier I consider my "Urban Mythbuster" compatriots! As to your comment on ex-cruise's downward spiral since he dumped kidman...and reversly on kidman skyrocketing immediately after the split...I once posted a detailed post on how that was so clearly evident. Simply based on readily checked facts shows, that for instance...prior to their split in 2001...ex-cruise had racked up 3 oscar nominations in 10 years time without a win...yet kidman in that same time period had recieved ZERO oscar noms. And then, post 2001, ex-cruise has recieved ZERO oscar noms in the ensueing 9 years...while post 2001, kidman received 2 oscar noms...in only 2 years time! And of course the win in 2003. So it isnt too hard to look past all the lalaland pretense of image manipulation, the disengenuous hype and circumstance...there are a multitude of media outlets formed and designed to simply hype these glutons for attention... not just for the "ill...as in the case with the National Enquirer...but for the "positive"...as in the case of People magazine, JJ and GG online. So just that warning to the orb fansies expecting a "blog pass" for him from this site, again I say, there are forces just as willing to break him down...as there are to build him up! It's just a question of which side succeeds! And dont forget, the orb has willingly decided to get into that tug of war, so get used to it.
this may be a repeat of what I posted...or maybe tried to post, I got a "error" message when I submitted a post right now...
...so, thanks mikki...(again?) I just wanted to reply tonight, of all the commenters on this site, you and hoosier I consider my "Urban mythbuster's" compatriots! To me it's all pretty simple, if kidman "marrying" orb irks you like nothing else...then for that matter...the orb "marrying" kidman should irk you JUST AS MUCH! If kidman's blatant and obvious staged PR photo ops revolt you, then orb's staged photo ops should also revolt you. If kidman's shameless exploitation of charitable causes for professional gain disgusts you, then orb's charitable exploition should disgust you as well...(ie: the "All for the Hall"...oh I mean...the "KEITH URBAN and friends" benefit show only 3 weeks before the voting ended for an awards show!) And I do find it irksome of the selective and cherry picking criticism that sometimes goes on in here...it is the reason I've decided to pin point my comments to the orb. Just as I surely expect the orb's next cd to sell very very poorly...even WORSE than Defying Sales. And I'll simply highlight the "tangible" facts...which are simply the numbers...and not simply my "opinion."
I don't think I was defending Keith. Just said there isn't anything out there that can be tied to him. We only hear whispers about his private life these days. I would not be surprised if this stuff didn't come from inside but then there would be the whole question of why now why this. As for Cage pulling out of the movie good for him. Also noticed that Schumacher issued a statement last night saying that the role of the husband had not been cast so all those dreaming of Nicole and Liev will have to wait a little longer. What happened to the HBO film about Hemmingway? Kidman didn't mention it in her USA interview about the 3 hour tour in Hatti?
As for Keith's career- did it take a hit from the news of his catting around? Nope it took a hit when he married Kidman. And while a number one here and there are good he is no where near where he was in 2005. He lost all that.
On losing interest in NK and/or KU career discussions, it's equally less interesting to read about bloggers, or blogger contributions back tapping or bonding...(maybe me but do recognize these, don't read) Or, those long preaching or whining ones...only briefly glance over these. Or, one blogger used this forum to brag her above us all social status including the martinis she gets offered for High-Rollers in Vegas (say anything since no proof required --hell, I owe a 600-foot yacht costing $650M, daddy on a Billionaire List, really a Royalty/Peerage, no way to prove, say anything, stupid b***h) Yeah, and don't read if this bothers you.
What's wrong with NK and her leading men? Previous to Jackman, she didn't have any. They were nameless, faceless people. Daniel Craig was made to look dorky and never shared a scene with her. Crowe had walked out like twice in movies scheduled with her. Looks like Cage first opted to play the bad guy instead of her husband and disappeared all together. Penn stuck around but reduced to this controlled introspective character that his talent is not know for and took crap from her character; likely the only ways to interact with hers. Day Lewis character in Nine flipped her character off as short as their scenes were. Jackson's the only one shared screen time with her but most reviews mentioned the lack of biochemistry and sexual tension to speak of. She had trouble with cruise, in supposedly sexually charged roles, neither had any, required coaching the story goes. The common thread? Her. Not only not a talented actress, doesn't have any appeals of the sexual kind in spite of all the surgical work of these recent years in her 40's...amazing KU who has to share their off camera time with her...and as one blogger here had mentioned, turning both asexual... Don't blame him a bit for his indiscretions while he can when they were dating
I may be one of the cherrypickers, but I concede that I cut Keith slack that I will not allow Nicole. And I think it's for one basic reason: he's redeemable and she is not.
He has shown a basic level of decency that she lacks. He has shown a more amiable perspective--and a real sense of humor--that I find utterly lacking in her. Nashville is chockful of people willing to talk about Keith's basic decency. No one in Hollywood or Sydney has anything good to say about her.
Yeah, I know Keith can be brutal in his business dealings, that he can be cheap as all get-out, that he is dismissive of a number of women who loved him deeply and helped him thru dark times. I read one blogger who point-blank called him "a slut." (Worse, I think, is the fact that he's squandered his talent.)
But I'm willing to give him a pass because he has, at least in the past, produced music that was just terrific. Nic and her vaunted movies? If they all disappeared today, I wouldn't notice.
Keith's saving grace is his kicky sense of humor. Nicole is humorless, and that makes all the difference. He is redeemable, and she is not.
And, FWIW, Joy, Keith can tattoo Nic's name along the length of his schlong in big block letters and it STILL wouldn't convince me that his marriage is based on love.
She married him because she was fearful of looking like a marital and parental failure. Her image needed a makeover. And she was competing against TomKat.
He married her for access to the money and her industry connections and to ward off the gay rumors. He also wanted to heighten his profile in Australiia.
smorgas91 said... "On losing interest in NK and/or KU career discussions, it's equally less interesting to read about bloggers, or blogger contributions back tapping or bonding..."
HA! Well...I guess I can expect smorgas91 to not be interested in that other spot in the coveted position of Urban Myth's "Four Muskateers!"
A440 said... "I may be one of the cherrypickers, but I concede that I cut Keith slack that I will not allow Nicole. And I think it's for one basic reason: he's redeemable and she is not."
I think the one point I've tried to make many times on this blog is that when I am commenting on the what the orb does or say...I'm not interested in his "happiness"...or if he is content in his marriage...or if he finds great fulfilment as a new father. I'm not a fan of his. I'm speaking to how what he says or does may affect his career. How it has effected his cd sales. For as a true fan of the orb, you SHOULD be very concerned about that...it is truly what will keep orb on the scene...or what will reduce him to permanent appearences on American Idol...or a reality show! For eventually, if orb's next cd doesnt sell even as well as the mediocre sell DS, he will surely be reduced to putting out the next cd from out of his garage! And as "sympathetic" fans of the orb, your here at this blog, so somehow, you do admit that there is NO redemption for orb as long as he is still hitched to kidman...and they STILL are together.
I follow what you're saying, maclen. And I agree that his personal credibility will remain shot to ratsh!t if he stays with Nicole.
But, imo, there could be redemption on some level if his music returned to the quality he showed with The Ranch. That absolutely was him at his musical zenith. And he's talented enough to pull that off despite Nicole's need to Tom-ify him.
But considering what his videos are showing from the "studio sessions," I'm hoping against hope.
Thank you for the kind words maclen. I get your lack of interest in NK now that her career is all but over. But for me, the mystery was always how she made it to the top. And all roads lead back to Tom. Now what sparks my interest is watching her try to get back where she was all on her own since being declared box office poison in 07'. Shes changed her image, her look, her publicist, hired a new manager. Shes used every weapon available to her -her private life, charties, etc. But the critics (finally unleashed) outed her. The string of box office flops, the limited acting skills, the botox and plastic surgery. I'm interested to see how long she can stay in the game and what she'll try next to keep it all going. Because I believe that her career is the only thing that matters to her. Thats why I'm staying tuned in maclen.
A440 said, "But, imo, there could be redemption on some level if his music returned to the quality he showed with The Ranch. That absolutely was him at his musical zenith."
OK, my memory could be wrong here, but my money is on I'm right.
I implore you to read the album notes for The Ranch and see who wrote the lyric and the music on that cd.
Then get back to me.
If you do not have it, I'll look it up, ok? I'm sorry, I know you are probably AT LEAST as tired as I am, but I'm starting 2 new classes tonight. . . . ..
I maintain he has always sold a bill of goods when he sold himself as the lovesick poet. He colaborates (excuse the spelling) at best. When is the last time, (more to the point, has there ever been a first time) that he has done an album, start to finish of his own material? NO. I would not hold this against the guy, except for the fact that this is part of the personna he sells as Keith Urban, the songwriter, the has to be an American Country Star, (Ha! I say Ha! He wouldn't know David Alan if he bit him in the ass), he paints this potrait of himself that just is such crap, and you all fall head over heels for it. Maybe it's the heat, maybe it's the cramps, maybe it's just complete frustration with Joy, but wake up, please. It's a show for money. He's in it for the money. Not for some noble love of country music, or baby girl, or especially fans, but money. I know this because I go to work for the money. How about you?
smorgas91-my sermon's over-you can go home and eat lunch now.
I think Nashville is holding its breath that he will come back to the promise he showed in 1997-2005.
I also think whoever said that Tom helped her a lot in her career was right on target. Tom picked the films and his name opened a lot of doors for her. Perhaps because he was the biggest star in the world a lot of people shut their mouths about her "talent".
She just keeps stumbling in her attempts to make a career. I also thought it was interesting that in the USA interview Kidman poo pooed the movie she made in Hawaii with Adam Jennifer etc as being just a few days work- honey that's the only work she has had beyond being Nicole Kidman.
I implore you to read the album notes for The Ranch and see who wrote the lyric and the music on that cd.
Okay. Got the album right here.
14 songs.
Vernon and Keith x 8 Chris Rawson/Scott Phelps Marshall Morgan/Troy Johnson Keith/Peter Clarke/GM Holden Vernon (solo) Gerry Rafferty/Joe Egan Gary Burr/Monty Powell/Keith
Keith gets co-writer credits on 10 songs.
I concede that he's always been kind of weak it comes to lyrics. I'm underwhelmed by much of his lyrics; moreso these days than ever before. DG is indeed a nadir for him.
But for The Ranch record, I give him credit for two things: (1) recognizing that Vernon and others were stronger lyricists than he and (2) some truly fine country-rock arrangements and performances. (He also gets co-producer credits on every song.)
When is the last time, (more to the point, has there ever been a first time) that he has done an album, start to finish of his own material? NO.
Is that the criterion to fulfill in order to be a lovesick poet? You have to write all the songs yourself from top to bottom? Yikes, that's a mighty high bar to clear, hoosier. I don't demand that of any musician. I'm seriously impressed when I find it, but I don't demand it. And Keith never (at least, to my knowledge) said he was his own best writer. By actively seeking other people's songs, by seeking out co-writers, he's made it clear that he's in the market for ANY good song.
He's in it for the money. Not for some noble love of country music, or baby girl, or especially fans, but money.
Agreed: Keith is an extremely and openly money-oriented man, and he's expedient when it comes to business. No sentiment there. That's now, 10 years after the blue album broke him and 4 years with his BBP.
But how do we explain all those years -- of audience-less gigs, of flat out rejection, of filing for bankruptcy -- when he simply kept at it? There had to have been some love for the music during those lean years.
So tell me: do you believe he's simply a puppet with no real talent of his own? Stripped of his PR machine, would he have anything to offer?
A440 said... "I follow what you're saying, maclen. And I agree that his personal credibility will remain shot to ratsh!t if he stays with Nicole."
It does simply become a question, A440, of when that moment is that his career is beyond redemption. Obviously, you believe he is redeemable...and I do not. I'm just unbiasly aware that music biz customers HAVE shown to be very fickle. One day... for instance...an n'sync or a britney spears can sell tens of millions of cds and in only a couple of years...not selling even a million. I certainly believe orb has let that momentum escape him.
mikki said... "Thank you for the kind words maclen. I get your lack of interest in NK now that her career is all but over. But for me, the mystery was always how she made it to the top. And all roads lead back to Tom..."
Yeah, that is a very relevent point mikki...but it's just one point I've been over many many times now. But I do look forward to reading YOUR perspective on that subject.
hoosierlady said... "I maintain he has always sold a bill of goods when he sold himself as the lovesick poet. He colaborates (excuse the spelling) at best. When is the last time, (more to the point, has there ever been a first time) that he has done an album, start to finish of his own material?"
Yeah I certainly see the lack of any substance or growth of the orb of what little I've seen, hoosier. Again, I've asked the question...what MORE does the orb have to offer musically...what does he have to say beyond being elated to be married or a new father? I have not heard one answer to that...simply the fans HOPE that whatever it will be is meaningful!
OK...I agree that he loves his money, security and toys. But I could never agree that he does this just for the money.
This is a man who has been driven to make music since he was a youngster. If he was in it just for the money, I think he'd just retire and carry her water bottle. But this last year has convinced me that he still has passion for the music.
Anyone who has seen him play live knows that he loves it. It's among the only times that I see geniuine joy on his face. There is far more passion for those guitars and the sounds that come out of them than I've ever seen from him while he's with NK.
So...does he like being financially successful. Sure...I believe he is thrilled by it. Is that what drives him to make music? I don't believe that for a second.
"Remember the cheating also took place after they were married. Remember the little fling in October of '06 when she was away? Don't forget about the porn star in LA at his bachelor party too."
Howcome I didn't know about this?!?
& Joy, I totally agree with you.
"He's in it for the money. Not for some noble love of country music, or baby girl, or especially fans, but money."
If this is true, then he is a DAMN good actor. He's foolin' everybody!
A440 wrote:"Yikes, that's a mighty high bar to clear, hoosier. I don't demand that of any musician. I'm seriously impressed when I find it, but I don't demand it. And Keith never (at least, to my knowledge) said he was his own best writer. By actively seeking other people's songs, by seeking out co-writers, he's made it clear that he's in the market for ANY good song."
Very well stated, and thanks for the good luck.
I am sure you know many musicians clear that bar. Lots of duos within bands do it over and over.
I guess he can play guitar,? but these country people are literally a dime a dozen, so, with all head droop and eyes downcast, no, I don't think he has much else to offer. I think he was a really good looking boy toy for all of the country music ladies to eyeball, then he got married, cleaned up, and shot his career to the wind. Do you think he can come back because of some musical ability without the bad boy, boy toy, love sick poet image? Hmmm, let's see,
Neal McCoy Tracy Lawrence Dwight Yoakam Joe Diffie Tracy Byrd Clint Black Trace Adkins Billy Ray Cyrus Radney Foster (who, by the way writes his own, and quite a few others) Aaron Tippin Randy Travis (who also made the cover of the NE) Travis Tritt Clay Walker Eddie Rabbitt Ricky Skaggs (who really isn't gone, just switch a little) Doug Stone These guys were trolling in the 90's.
I could go on, I could be wrong on some of these, but you get the point, I'm sure. Consumers are fickle, they see, they want, they buy. Sex sells, whether it's a guy buying boobies on a magazine, or a gal buying a goodlooking guitar player on a video, it's still sex. I think that's what sells.
Agreed, hoosier: sex sells. And we're talking Keith here, the fellow who didn't hesitate one jot to drop trou for "Playgirl." His shirts and trousers are tapered tight for a reason.
But I'm still hard pressed to believe that he's nothing more than a hack who whores himself for the money. If you took away the big paychecks, if he were poor again, he'd still sit behind that guitar and make a living from it. No, it's not trad country he'd play; he's always been open about how commercial he is. But he's not Milli Vanilli.
I'm disappointed to see him on his present course. Hitching his wagon to Dann Huff and his hitmaker machine hasn't helped any. But I think he still has enough innate talent to keep a level of credibility about him. The disappointment is in seeing him squander it.
So let me throw out a question: Let's say he and Nicole split permanently. Does he instantly get his street cred back?
I think he would get some credibility back. I also wonder if the f**k you Nicole song would be in him?
I was once told by someone that all Keith has to do is wear tight jeans wiggle his ass flip his hair and everyone including those who are skeptical will come running back. I countered with what about his playing? and the reply was that is what will keep them there.
I don't know if it is because it has been awhile since I had a blind item about country music singers or the fact of who this is about, but I love this one. Two country singers. The male is A++ list. Married. To a celebrity. Can't say too much about the wife or it would totally give it away. The other singer is a woman. Probably a B list in the country singing world. Maybe that is just because of her name recognition though. She is also in a significant relationship. Anyway, the two have known each other for a few years. They met in a meeting if you know what I mean. Her for one reason and him for another. The next thing you know, they are trying to arrange tour dates close to each other and meeting at a place in Nashville when his wife is out of town. She has said the sex is kind of boring and quiet but really likes him and feels sorry for him. What about your boyfriend or his wife? I wonder if she feels sorry for them.
Urban Myths said... "Another interesting BI on CDAN today:
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2010/08/today
Tara said... :what an interesting little blind item that is on the heels of the Enquirer"
Yes, that was also my intitial thought, right after the enquirer infidelity mention...could it be that something is just recently bubbling up to the "public" surface regarding the orb? Funny how the comments at crazy days and nights start slowly at first in suggesting orb...but then about half way through the comments...suddenly orb seems to be the main guess! It may be simple gossip mongering or perhaps a media outlet is gathering the info to break this story? You can never rule anything out.
there is the "help" clip on youtube where sarah b is singing backup and keith is turning around a great deal and both smiling and giggling about what do you see when you turn out the light...
shortly after that it was printed that keith was writing with sarah b. while nick was in australia.
and then the news broke nick wanted to be with tom's kids in LA.
keith was recorded saying that he was flying his peeps out to LA to write with him.
keith just comes off looking more excitable around the young girls like carrie and sarah than he does around the tranny purse.
F.I.N.E said... "there is the "help" clip on youtube where sarah b is singing backup and keith is turning around a great deal and both smiling and giggling about what do you see when you turn out the light...'
Ah, yes...the orb butchering the fab four! Of course, believing the orb's union with kidman has about as much "spice" in it as plain white rice...would totally believe orb would be playing googly eyes with a back up singer. And that is some very intersting takes, F.I.N.E, on the VERY "orchestrated" scedule kidman would keep on the "addict" prone...drugs alchohol, or what not orb! Some "rumors" simply percolating on the fringe of the industry sometimes make it to the fore of the biz. Wonder if orb will ever get bit with "tiger/james/edwards-itis" at some upcoming point!
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yes, "why" the heck are you recycling this dead story????
What are you wanting to stir with this? I don't think this is fair. They weren't married then and he has been seemingly faithful all these years.
If this site is going to sink to this kind of level, then I am outa here. I am all for opinions and discussion, but not plain and simple muck-raking. sorry!
Ha! Well what I think this shows is that no matter how much celebs attempt to "re-establish" their images...they usually are stamped with a tawdry label that is beyond their control. Sure, the Natural Enquirer may be 99.9999% fabrication...but sometimes of course they get one right...do not forget they first uncovered the John Edwards cheating story, but because it was the Enquirer no one believed it...at first! When you think about it, this tabloid story MAY be a huge reason why the orb's cd "Whole Crazy" didnt sell as well as his previous cd. He may have gotten away with being the big drinking...heavy drug using...self destructive country crooner...and STILL have been up and coming in the country scene. But once he got married, and this cheating story came up he may have lost...and he certainly did...lose alot of fansies! Which would then seem to support my belief that orb hurt himself further professionally, with this recent collaberation with the napalm! Unless your a recent "reality" side show freak...with no talent other than getting on tv and being willing to debase and bicker amongst themselves...celebs with true claim to a talent or achievments who fall to the tawdry behavior of racism or cheaters dont fare too well. Just think...gibson, the aforementioned john edwards...tiger woods....jesse james...etc. Again, the stench of Napalm will also NOT leave the orb "untarnished!" And recall, the orb is exposed to that "'white supremacist' penis" and supposed "hood pass" again this month at a live gig! I for one cant wait for his next cd to come out... and prove I'm right about his career being on the wane!
To be fair, the "I regret the hurt..." comment was what he said upon going into rehab again. (Third time? Fourth time? There are conflicting reports.)
Hells bells, it's the Enquirer. Maybe they know something...or maybe they're just rehashing. Can't really tell with them. They do have a rather spotty record in between breaking legitimate stories.
So, since they're not hinting at any more info, I'll take a stab and say they're just rehashing.
Considering the Enquier never covered the story when it first happened, why bring it up now?
And he admitted in a German interview in Feb 2007 that he knew the woman in question. "people do what they do" was his comment.
The story that was in the Daily Mail on Dec 24, 2006 was that the woman in question had an affair right up to the time the engagement was announced. So he was seeing both women at the same time.
In the December 11, 2006 In Touch, the story was that the woman and Urban continued the affair until October 2006 and were seen by many people in Nashville together.
But why bring this up now? There have been no other slip up by Urban that anyone is aware of. This could have died and it could have been brought up during that whole Tiger/Jesse period earlier this year but it wasn't.
Urban has had a pretty good reputation as a ladies man but not since his marriage.
abc, this rag is on every grocery store check-out lane in the United States right now; it's kind of hard to ignore.
Does anyone have the whole article? I would like to know if LeeAnn was listed in this article as she is a recent cheater. Why wouldn't they pick on her, but are picking on Keith instead? If she isn't listed as a cheater, then I have to believe it is some kind of PR move. Perhaps our frequent reminder that Nicole is the poor victim since she has no PR interviews to promote movies lately? I also have another question. If a false story is printed and no one sues because they don't want to have an even uglier scene, what do you do when the publication prints the same "false" story again?
...not a big deal, he just happened to be a named celebrity with a story that fit NE's captioned headline...it's NE, they'll rehash anything anybody with/without merit -- still covers Elvis, Marilyn, (and in 2010) that Superman guy from 50's (oops, don't read their stuff)...so this small..timer..K..U.....duh.....
Blue sky, the "Cheaters" in the article are: LeAnn Rimes, Morgan Freeman, Mel Gibson, Toby Keith, Paula Deen, Josh Duhamel, Don Johnson, Jesse James, Tiger Woods and John Edwards.
Nicole was on it last week because of plastic surgeries gone wrong, and before that for eating disorders or too much dieting, I can't remember how it was worded, sometimes I think they need filler copy.
I think this is PR for victim NK, other sites are recycling the alpaca story and the garden story, it is pretty late in the year to be planting a garden, as these stories have her quoting, if she's just planted, she's not getting anything, not even lettuce. So I'm thinking it's just more BS by NK for PR. We are on the up part of the PR cycle, she hasn't had to do any live performances or open her mouth, so we have to suffer through this part to get to the good stuff.
Wait for it. . . .
abc, whats the big deal? UM had the TabloidHound for a long time which I, for one, enjoyed. I could see what all the rag mags were putting out there without spending a dime.
The National Enquire is nationwide on full display in every grocery store and anywhere else they sell this stuff. This blog is about Keith. Not discussing this edition of the Enquire won't make it go away. The cat is out of the bag, sorry.
My own opinion, Keith would never have made the cover if he wasn't married to NK. Its more of a jab at her and her "perfect marriage" image than it is at Keith's cheating ways. As hoosierlady points out, last week it was her plastic surgery gone wrong, before that the dieting. Keith isn't the target, she is.
abc said...
"If this site is going to sink to this kind of level, then I am outa here. I am all for opinions and discussion, but not plain and simple muck-raking. sorry!"
So... tell me what is the "outrage" to even contemplating that the orb may have been unfaithful? But I do find it predictable that an orb fansie will hyperventilate over this story because as they claim...orb's mouthpiece has DENIED this story...so...IT MUST NOT BE TRUE! But as I previously mentioned...FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE John Edwards, himself, denied the allegation of his "infidelity" alleged in an National Enquirer story.....and as it turned out....EDWARDS WAS LYING! HA! Now, who is willing to give orb...remember a self admitted addict and two time "rehab'er" the absolute benefit of the doubt!? Certainly not me! Orb is obviously prone to give into his baser instincts...so cool it with the frantic threats of being outta here... and just do it. Take my word for it, this site hasnt even begun to lower itself to the level of even the addict admitted...and now so plainly obvious media mongering orb! Orb wants to "play the media game" now...he has to be willing to endure the not so "pleasant" or "rosey" underbelly of the slime germinating in the industry of celebs!
I guess time does make people forget. Remember the cheating also took place after they were married. Remember the little fling in October of '06 when she was away? Then after that is when he went into rehab, because they knew it was going to come out. Don't forget about the porn star in LA at his bachelor party too.
Looks like Nicolas Cage has pulled out of Trespass, just two weeks before filming is scheduled to begin. Wonder who will replace him?
http://www.deadline.com/2010/08/nicolas-cages-abrupt-departure-leaves-millennium-drama-trespass-in-lurch/
Oh, Maclen, you're back.
I've missed you.
abc, he's plastic, he's not real, what you think you know is not what really is. You see what they want you to see, read what they want you to read, know what they want you to know. Back away back away, it's ok.
He's a "recovery coke addict" that some say sings and plays guitar, and she, well, she's tall, and gets to wear designer fashions alot, and reads words from a telepromter for unbelievable sums of money and then goes around the world spouting multisyllable words from her pie hole to sound important, and impress her friends.
I think that is close anyway.
I for sure do NOT condone Keith's lifestyle & the many questionable things he did while actively abusing drugs & alcohol. I'm sure he has quite a few female skeletons in his pre-marriage closet. But NE must really be having some slow dry times to even continue to bring this particular episode to front page. I understand they were doing a group shaming but really Keith's womanizing is at least 4 years old. He has addressed the substance abuse issues he has & he went for treatment. He will continue to battle his disease until he stops breathing. Those poor choices & those women will always be a part of his past. He can't change that. He did what he did & will always have to answer for that, as he should. I have not heard or read one shred of evidence of him committing this same lack of judgement since his marriage to Nicole. Honestly, my personal opinion, is that he was actually looking for a special lifelong committment with someone even at those low times. I honestly believe he turned to the drugs & alcohol from a lack of a singular complete relationship with someone. Sure he was engaged and sure he dated Niki for a while but notice THOSE RELATIONSHIPS DIDN'T RESULT IN MARRIAGE FOR HIM. He didn't marry until he met Nicole. There has to be a deep, life altering reason for this (I personally do NOT believe fame, money, accumulated wealth or any perks had anything to do with this marriage). I think what made this marriage possible and yes even happy and successful IS true love& respect by these 2 people involved, for each other. He can ONLY live each day now as it comes. He can ONLY "undo" the harm he's done by loving his wife & daughter with every thing he is and has. He can ONLY be a better man by the way/example he treats his wife and daughter. What's done is done but what can change is as possible as each new day in his life. I personally would rather see the "glass as half full than half empty". I would wish he never had the drug/alcohol issues but if that is what he had to go through to come out on the better side than so be it. Not a road any of us would want to take. I think he's on the best road possible now and I hope even when he stumbles & falters that he will remember the vows he took on his wedding day and that he will live them Until death does part them.
hoosierlady said...
"Oh, Maclen, you're back.
I've missed you."
Hey hoosier, it's good to be missed! But simply, kidman's dead career no longer interests me. As Ive commented recently, Ive railed for at least 4 years online now how I believed her career was headed down the drain and why it should be...and now that it clearly is...Ive set my sole sights on the dwindling career of the orb. As is plain so far in this thread...many who seemingly have had no qualms whatsoever...and even gleefully engaged in tearing kidman a new one in these talkbacks...from alleged kidman infidelities on her ex, cruise...to fake pregnancies and lame photo ops...are now either outraged...or simply trying to "excuse" orb HIS possible disengenous indiscretions! Such as, he MAY have cheated in the past, but NOT NOW! Well, I for one can honestly proclaim THAT I AM TOTALLY "HOLIER THAN THOU"... or more precisely, "HTT" to the commenters outraged or excusing of an orb "negative" topic. For I rip the orb just as readily as I rip kidman. Again, if you've had no problems bashing kidman...dont whine if orb gets bashed...that is what this site is all about...and dont try to pretend that this is simpl and only a kidman criticising site.
Well said hoosierlady!
Well I've missed you too maclen. Like me, you have examined NK's career more closely than most. I've heard so many say that she would never have had a career without Tom but no one ever looks beyond that statement. Its only my opinion of course, but I believe that Tom owed her a career after the divorce and that he was behind her lead roles and huge salaries all along. He was the biggest star in Hollywood and certainly had the clout with major studios to get whatever he wanted. Funny how his career hit a wall and hers followed the same path almost immediately after. Funny how they both had teflon images before that, and since then the critics have been relentless. Hes struggling with his career the same as she is...hummm.....
As for Keith. I won't defend him, I agree with you.
Mikki said: "Its only my opinion of course, but I believe that Tom owed her a career after the divorce and that he was behind her lead roles and huge salaries all along." Right on the money, you nailed it. I agree. With her on her own, she's unable to talk the talk & walk the walk. She is extremely rigid judging by the PR choices made and captured on and off camera (read about), she is not an Academy awarded material by no stretch of the imagination. She has none of artistic creativity flowing through her whatsoever. Insipid, vacuous, moronic and alarmingly uncomplicated, it really took a village to award a simpleton like this and cruise at the time would have been the only one with a possible vested interest to set her up on her own -- a great part would be a pact of sorts to establish her career but a more practical reason would be to set her up financially independent to be away from him for good.
mikki said...
"Well I've missed you too maclen. Like me, you have examined NK's career more closely than most. I've heard so many say that she would never have had a career without Tom but no one ever looks beyond that statement..."Funny how his career hit a wall and hers followed the same path almost immediately after. Funny how they both had teflon images before that, and since then the critics have been relentless."
Thanks mikki...of all commentors on this blog, you and hoosier I consider my "Urban Mythbuster" compatriots! As to your comment on ex-cruise's downward spiral since he dumped kidman...and reversly on kidman skyrocketing immediately after the split...I once posted a detailed post on how that was so clearly evident. Simply based on readily checked facts shows, that for instance...prior to their split in 2001...ex-cruise had racked up 3 oscar nominations in 10 years time without a win...yet kidman in that same time period had recieved ZERO oscar noms. And then, post 2001, ex-cruise has recieved ZERO oscar noms in the ensueing 9 years...while post 2001, kidman received 2 oscar noms...in only 2 years time! And of course the win in 2003. So it isnt too hard to look past all the lalaland pretense of image manipulation, the disengenuous hype and circumstance...there are a multitude of media outlets formed and designed to simply hype these glutons for attention... not just for the "ill...as in the case with the National Enquirer...but for the "positive"...as in the case of People magazine, JJ and GG online. So just that warning to the orb fansies expecting a "blog pass" for him from this site, again I say, there are forces just as willing to break him down...as there are to build him up! It's just a question of which side succeeds! And dont forget, the orb has willingly decided to get into that tug of war, so get used to it.
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this may be a repeat of what I posted...or maybe tried to post, I got a "error" message when I submitted a post right now...
...so, thanks mikki...(again?) I just wanted to reply tonight, of all the commenters on this site, you and hoosier I consider my "Urban mythbuster's" compatriots! To me it's all pretty simple, if kidman "marrying" orb irks you like nothing else...then for that matter...the orb "marrying" kidman should irk you JUST AS MUCH! If kidman's blatant and obvious staged PR photo ops revolt you, then orb's staged photo ops should also revolt you. If kidman's shameless exploitation of charitable causes for professional gain disgusts you, then orb's charitable exploition should disgust you as well...(ie: the "All for the Hall"...oh I mean...the "KEITH URBAN and friends" benefit show only 3 weeks before the voting ended for an awards show!) And I do find it irksome of the selective and cherry picking criticism that sometimes goes on in here...it is the reason I've decided to pin point my comments to the orb. Just as I surely expect the orb's next cd to sell very very poorly...even WORSE than Defying Sales. And I'll simply highlight the "tangible" facts...which are simply the numbers...and not simply my "opinion."
I don't think I was defending Keith. Just said there isn't anything out there that can be tied to him. We only hear whispers about his private life these days. I would not be surprised if this stuff didn't come from inside but then there would be the whole question of why now why this.
As for Cage pulling out of the movie
good for him. Also noticed that Schumacher issued a statement last night saying that the role of the husband had not been cast so all those dreaming of Nicole and Liev will have to wait a little longer.
What happened to the HBO film about Hemmingway? Kidman didn't mention it in her USA interview about the 3 hour tour in Hatti?
As for Keith's career- did it take a hit from the news of his catting around? Nope it took a hit when he married Kidman. And while a number one here and there are good he is no where near where he was in 2005. He lost all that.
On losing interest in NK and/or KU career discussions, it's equally less interesting to read about bloggers, or blogger contributions back tapping or bonding...(maybe me but do recognize these, don't read) Or, those long preaching or whining ones...only briefly glance over these. Or, one blogger used this forum to brag her above us all social status including the martinis she gets offered for High-Rollers in Vegas (say anything since no proof required --hell, I owe a 600-foot yacht costing $650M, daddy on a Billionaire List, really a Royalty/Peerage, no way to prove, say anything, stupid b***h) Yeah, and don't read if this bothers you.
What's wrong with NK and her leading men? Previous to Jackman, she didn't have any. They were nameless, faceless people. Daniel Craig was made to look dorky and never shared a scene with her. Crowe had walked out like twice in movies scheduled with her. Looks like Cage first opted to play the bad guy instead of her husband and disappeared all together. Penn stuck around but reduced to this controlled introspective character that his talent is not know for and took crap from her character; likely the only ways to interact with hers. Day Lewis character in Nine flipped her character off as short as their scenes were. Jackson's the only one shared screen time with her but most reviews mentioned the lack of biochemistry and sexual tension to speak of. She had trouble with cruise, in supposedly sexually charged roles, neither had any, required coaching the story goes. The common thread? Her. Not only not a talented actress, doesn't have any appeals of the sexual kind in spite of all the surgical work of these recent years in her 40's...amazing KU who has to share their off camera time with her...and as one blogger here had mentioned, turning both asexual... Don't blame him a bit for his indiscretions while he can when they were dating
I may be one of the cherrypickers, but I concede that I cut Keith slack that I will not allow Nicole. And I think it's for one basic reason: he's redeemable and she is not.
He has shown a basic level of decency that she lacks. He has shown a more amiable perspective--and a real sense of humor--that I find utterly lacking in her. Nashville is chockful of people willing to talk about Keith's basic decency. No one in Hollywood or Sydney has anything good to say about her.
Yeah, I know Keith can be brutal in his business dealings, that he can be cheap as all get-out, that he is dismissive of a number of women who loved him deeply and helped him thru dark times. I read one blogger who point-blank called him "a slut." (Worse, I think, is the fact that he's squandered his talent.)
But I'm willing to give him a pass because he has, at least in the past, produced music that was just terrific. Nic and her vaunted movies? If they all disappeared today, I wouldn't notice.
Keith's saving grace is his kicky sense of humor. Nicole is humorless, and that makes all the difference. He is redeemable, and she is not.
And, FWIW, Joy, Keith can tattoo Nic's name along the length of his schlong in big block letters and it STILL wouldn't convince me that his marriage is based on love.
She married him because she was fearful of looking like a marital and parental failure. Her image needed a makeover. And she was competing against TomKat.
He married her for access to the money and her industry connections and to ward off the gay rumors. He also wanted to heighten his profile in Australiia.
What better way than to marry "our Nic"?
smorgas91 said...
"On losing interest in NK and/or KU career discussions, it's equally less interesting to read about bloggers, or blogger contributions back tapping or bonding..."
HA! Well...I guess I can expect smorgas91 to not be interested in that other spot in the coveted position of Urban Myth's "Four Muskateers!"
A440 said...
"I may be one of the cherrypickers, but I concede that I cut Keith slack that I will not allow Nicole. And I think it's for one basic reason: he's redeemable and she is not."
I think the one point I've tried to make many times on this blog is that when I am commenting on the what the orb does or say...I'm not interested in his "happiness"...or if he is content in his marriage...or if he finds great fulfilment as a new father. I'm not a fan of his. I'm speaking to how what he says or does may affect his career. How it has effected his cd sales. For as a true fan of the orb, you SHOULD be very concerned about that...it is truly what will keep orb on the scene...or what will reduce him to permanent appearences on American Idol...or a reality show! For eventually, if orb's next cd doesnt sell even as well as the mediocre sell DS, he will surely be reduced to putting out the next cd from out of his garage! And as "sympathetic" fans of the orb, your here at this blog, so somehow, you do admit that there is NO redemption for orb as long as he is still hitched to kidman...and they STILL are together.
I follow what you're saying, maclen. And I agree that his personal credibility will remain shot to ratsh!t if he stays with Nicole.
But, imo, there could be redemption on some level if his music returned to the quality he showed with The Ranch. That absolutely was him at his musical zenith. And he's talented enough to pull that off despite Nicole's need to Tom-ify him.
But considering what his videos are showing from the "studio sessions," I'm hoping against hope.
Thank you for the kind words maclen. I get your lack of interest in NK now that her career is all but over. But for me, the mystery was always how she made it to the top. And all roads lead back to Tom. Now what sparks my interest is watching her try to get back where she was all on her own since being declared box office poison in 07'. Shes changed her image, her look, her publicist, hired a new manager. Shes used every weapon available to her -her private life, charties, etc. But the critics (finally unleashed) outed her. The string of box office flops, the limited acting skills, the botox and plastic surgery. I'm interested to see how long she can stay in the game and what she'll try next to keep it all going. Because I believe that her career is the only thing that matters to her. Thats why I'm staying tuned in maclen.
A440 said, "But, imo, there could be redemption on some level if his music returned to the quality he showed with The Ranch. That absolutely was him at his musical zenith."
OK, my memory could be wrong here, but my money is on I'm right.
I implore you to read the album notes for The Ranch and see who wrote the lyric and the music on that cd.
Then get back to me.
If you do not have it, I'll look it up, ok? I'm sorry, I know you are probably AT LEAST as tired as I am, but I'm starting 2 new classes tonight. . . . ..
I maintain he has always sold a bill of goods when he sold himself as the lovesick poet. He colaborates (excuse the spelling) at best. When is the last time, (more to the point, has there ever been a first time) that he has done an album, start to finish of his own material? NO. I would not hold this against the guy, except for the fact that this is part of the personna he sells as Keith Urban, the songwriter, the has to be an American Country Star, (Ha! I say Ha! He wouldn't know David Alan if he bit him in the ass), he paints this potrait of himself that just is such crap, and you all fall head over heels for it. Maybe it's the heat, maybe it's the cramps, maybe it's just complete frustration with Joy, but wake up, please. It's a show for money. He's in it for the money. Not for some noble love of country music, or baby girl, or especially fans, but money.
I know this because I go to work for the money. How about you?
smorgas91-my sermon's over-you can go home and eat lunch now.
I think Nashville is holding its breath that he will come back to the promise he showed in 1997-2005.
I also think whoever said that Tom helped her a lot in her career was right on target. Tom picked the films and his name opened a lot of doors for her. Perhaps because he was the biggest star in the world a lot of people shut their mouths about her "talent".
She just keeps stumbling in her attempts to make a career. I also thought it was interesting that in the USA interview Kidman poo pooed the movie she made in Hawaii with Adam Jennifer etc as being just a few days work- honey that's the only work she has had beyond being Nicole Kidman.
hoosier wrote:
I implore you to read the album notes for The Ranch and see who wrote the lyric and the music on that cd.
Okay. Got the album right here.
14 songs.
Vernon and Keith x 8
Chris Rawson/Scott Phelps
Marshall Morgan/Troy Johnson
Keith/Peter Clarke/GM Holden
Vernon (solo)
Gerry Rafferty/Joe Egan
Gary Burr/Monty Powell/Keith
Keith gets co-writer credits on 10 songs.
I concede that he's always been kind of weak it comes to lyrics. I'm underwhelmed by much of his lyrics; moreso these days than ever before. DG is indeed a nadir for him.
But for The Ranch record, I give him credit for two things: (1) recognizing that Vernon and others were stronger lyricists than he and (2) some truly fine country-rock arrangements and performances. (He also gets co-producer credits on every song.)
When is the last time, (more to the point, has there ever been a first time) that he has done an album, start to finish of his own material? NO.
Is that the criterion to fulfill in order to be a lovesick poet? You have to write all the songs yourself from top to bottom? Yikes, that's a mighty high bar to clear, hoosier. I don't demand that of any musician. I'm seriously impressed when I find it, but I don't demand it. And Keith never (at least, to my knowledge) said he was his own best writer. By actively seeking other people's songs, by seeking out co-writers, he's made it clear that he's in the market for ANY good song.
He's in it for the money. Not for some noble love of country music, or baby girl, or especially fans, but money.
Agreed: Keith is an extremely and openly money-oriented man, and he's expedient when it comes to business. No sentiment there. That's now, 10 years after the blue album broke him and 4 years with his BBP.
But how do we explain all those years -- of audience-less gigs, of flat out rejection, of filing for bankruptcy -- when he simply kept at it? There had to have been some love for the music during those lean years.
So tell me: do you believe he's simply a puppet with no real talent of his own? Stripped of his PR machine, would he have anything to offer?
A440
PS: Good luck with your classwork.
A440 said...
"I follow what you're saying, maclen. And I agree that his personal credibility will remain shot to ratsh!t if he stays with Nicole."
It does simply become a question, A440, of when that moment is that his career is beyond redemption. Obviously, you believe he is redeemable...and I do not. I'm just unbiasly aware that music biz customers HAVE shown to be very fickle. One day... for instance...an n'sync or a britney spears can sell tens of millions of cds and in only a couple of years...not selling even a million. I certainly believe orb has let that momentum escape him.
mikki said...
"Thank you for the kind words maclen. I get your lack of interest in NK now that her career is all but over. But for me, the mystery was always how she made it to the top. And all roads lead back to Tom..."
Yeah, that is a very relevent point mikki...but it's just one point I've been over many many times now. But I do look forward to reading YOUR perspective on that subject.
hoosierlady said...
"I maintain he has always sold a bill of goods when he sold himself as the lovesick poet. He colaborates (excuse the spelling) at best. When is the last time, (more to the point, has there ever been a first time) that he has done an album, start to finish of his own material?"
Yeah I certainly see the lack of any substance or growth of the orb of what little I've seen, hoosier. Again, I've asked the question...what MORE does the orb have to offer musically...what does he have to say beyond being elated to be married or a new father? I have not heard one answer to that...simply the fans HOPE that whatever it will be is meaningful!
OK...I agree that he loves his money, security and toys. But I could never agree that he does this just for the money.
This is a man who has been driven to make music since he was a youngster. If he was in it just for the money, I think he'd just retire and carry her water bottle. But this last year has convinced me that he still has passion for the music.
Anyone who has seen him play live knows that he loves it. It's among the only times that I see geniuine joy on his face. There is far more passion for those guitars and the sounds that come out of them than I've ever seen from him while he's with NK.
So...does he like being financially successful. Sure...I believe he is thrilled by it. Is that what drives him to make music? I don't believe that for a second.
"Remember the cheating also took place after they were married. Remember the little fling in October of '06 when she was away? Don't forget about the porn star in LA at his bachelor party too."
Howcome I didn't know about this?!?
& Joy, I totally agree with you.
"He's in it for the money. Not for some noble love of country music, or baby girl, or especially fans, but money."
If this is true, then he is a DAMN good actor. He's foolin' everybody!
A440 wrote:"Yikes, that's a mighty high bar to clear, hoosier. I don't demand that of any musician. I'm seriously impressed when I find it, but I don't demand it. And Keith never (at least, to my knowledge) said he was his own best writer. By actively seeking other people's songs, by seeking out co-writers, he's made it clear that he's in the market for ANY good song."
Very well stated, and thanks for the good luck.
I am sure you know many musicians clear that bar. Lots of duos within bands do it over and over.
I guess he can play guitar,? but these country people are literally a dime a dozen, so, with all head droop and eyes downcast, no, I don't think he has much else to offer. I think he was a really good looking boy toy for all of the country music ladies to eyeball, then he got married, cleaned up, and shot his career to the wind. Do you think he can come back because of some musical ability without the bad boy, boy toy, love sick poet image? Hmmm, let's see,
Neal McCoy
Tracy Lawrence
Dwight Yoakam
Joe Diffie
Tracy Byrd
Clint Black
Trace Adkins
Billy Ray Cyrus
Radney Foster
(who, by the way writes his own,
and quite a few others)
Aaron Tippin
Randy Travis
(who also made the cover of the NE)
Travis Tritt
Clay Walker
Eddie Rabbitt
Ricky Skaggs
(who really isn't gone, just switch
a little)
Doug Stone
These guys were trolling in the 90's.
I could go on, I could be wrong on some of these, but you get the point, I'm sure. Consumers are fickle, they see, they want, they buy. Sex sells, whether it's a guy buying boobies on a magazine, or a gal buying a goodlooking guitar player on a video, it's still sex. I think that's what sells.
Agreed, hoosier: sex sells. And we're talking Keith here, the fellow who didn't hesitate one jot to drop trou for "Playgirl." His shirts and trousers are tapered tight for a reason.
But I'm still hard pressed to believe that he's nothing more than a hack who whores himself for the money. If you took away the big paychecks, if he were poor again, he'd still sit behind that guitar and make a living from it. No, it's not trad country he'd play; he's always been open about how commercial he is. But he's not Milli Vanilli.
I'm disappointed to see him on his present course. Hitching his wagon to Dann Huff and his hitmaker machine hasn't helped any. But I think he still has enough innate talent to keep a level of credibility about him. The disappointment is in seeing him squander it.
So let me throw out a question: Let's say he and Nicole split permanently. Does he instantly get his street cred back?
I think he would get some credibility back. I also wonder if the f**k you Nicole song would be in him?
I was once told by someone that all Keith has to do is wear tight jeans
wiggle his ass flip his hair and everyone including those who are skeptical will come running back. I countered with what about his playing?
and the reply was that is what will keep them there.
Another interesting BI on CDAN today:
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2010/08/todays-blind-items_04.html
Today's Blind Items
I don't know if it is because it has been awhile since I had a blind item about country music singers or the fact of who this is about, but I love this one. Two country singers. The male is A++ list. Married. To a celebrity. Can't say too much about the wife or it would totally give it away. The other singer is a woman. Probably a B list in the country singing world. Maybe that is just because of her name recognition though. She is also in a significant relationship. Anyway, the two have known each other for a few years. They met in a meeting if you know what I mean. Her for one reason and him for another. The next thing you know, they are trying to arrange tour dates close to each other and meeting at a place in Nashville when his wife is out of town. She has said the sex is kind of boring and quiet but really likes him and feels sorry for him. What about your boyfriend or his wife? I wonder if she feels sorry for them.
what an interesting little blind item that is
on the heels of the Enquirer
but who would the woman be?
Urban Myths said...
"Another interesting BI on CDAN today:
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2010/08/today
Tara said...
:what an interesting little blind item that is
on the heels of the Enquirer"
Yes, that was also my intitial thought, right after the enquirer infidelity mention...could it be that something is just recently bubbling up to the "public" surface regarding the orb? Funny how the comments at crazy days and nights start slowly at first in suggesting orb...but then about half way through the comments...suddenly orb seems to be the main guess! It may be simple gossip mongering or perhaps a media outlet is gathering the info to break this story? You can never rule anything out.
Who publishes the NE?
Inspector Hoosier's on the hunt!
there is the "help" clip on youtube where sarah b is singing backup and keith is turning around a great deal and both smiling and giggling about what do you see when you turn out the light...
shortly after that it was printed that keith was writing with sarah b. while nick was in australia.
and then the news broke nick wanted to be with tom's kids in LA.
keith was recorded saying that he was flying his peeps out to LA to write with him.
keith just comes off looking more excitable around the young girls like carrie and sarah than he does around the tranny purse.
Check this out, ladies. . . .
http://rss.thesmokinggun.com/buster/keith-urban/revealed-how-keith-urban-keeps-his-boyish-figure
then this, which is the link to the rider:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/keith-urban-rider?page=0
F.I.N.E said...
"there is the "help" clip on youtube where sarah b is singing backup and keith is turning around a great deal and both smiling and giggling about what do you see when you turn out the light...'
Ah, yes...the orb butchering the fab four! Of course, believing the orb's union with kidman has about as much "spice" in it as plain white rice...would totally believe orb would be playing googly eyes with a back up singer. And that is some very intersting takes, F.I.N.E, on the VERY "orchestrated" scedule kidman would keep on the "addict" prone...drugs alchohol, or what not orb! Some "rumors" simply percolating on the fringe of the industry sometimes make it to the fore of the biz. Wonder if orb will ever get bit with "tiger/james/edwards-itis" at some upcoming point!
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