In the 1970's, when there was a rise in cults, there was a need for deprogrammers. These folks took the cult member out and away from the cult and brought them harshly back into reality. After reading certain interviews, it appears that Keith Urban seems in need of a deprogrammer.
He shows all the signs of someone in serious need of an intervention. Here is what led me to think this:
1. Statements that lead me to believe that he is in a very depressed state.
2. Actions that are irrational and illogical.
3. Questions about what rehab really taught him.
First, I don't believe for a minute that these two have any kind of love relationship. I believe that the wife was so hurt in her first marriage that she is incapable of it. I also can see by his statements that Keith is in no better state than he has been in any of his other relationships. He seems as if he is in a deep depression and isn't coping very well.
He claims this is his first real love. That he hasn't been able to love in the past. What a terrible thing to say those women who supported him and loved him in the past. Part of growing up, Mr. Urban, is not to say someone else is the cause of my happiness or sobriety. It's to say that "this" is my journey. But, of course, when you are coerced into worshiping someone else, any form of acknowledgment gets over-dramatized. When your statements are all about being a better____, then it becomes about that, about being a better servant.
Your problems are your own, and the women that have loved you in the past have gotten you to where you are, and not all of that is bad, is it? These about not being too far from the wife away smacks of dependence. I don't see the wife changing her schedule because she doesn't have to. He appears to be making all the changes, all the sacrifices, and what for? Will he give up his career? Sounds like he just might. And, that is very scary. It is not just a PR thing anymore.
It affects all the people who work and are supported by him. It is just like being in a cult. You cast off the people around you, and what you were doing, so that you can pay better attention to the cult. You also cast off your family. Do you think Keith has? I do. He also self-mutilated himself (he got a tattoo of her name and had her initials added to another tattoo from another woman) to show his devotion. He talks about his guru in every encounter. He looks to be seeking her approval, her acceptance and forget the rest of the world.
Is this dangerous? Yes. Anyone who has gone through rehab knows rule number two, after “one day at a time”, is to NOT to enter a romantic relationship or get intense about another person, as this can become an addiction. And I think the drug of choice for Mr. Urban is his self-centered narcissistic wife, who understood, because she was indoctrinated into one of the most questionable religions around.
So, do we all walk away? No, I like the guy and I don't want to hear about the LATE Keith Urban and I think that might come if there is a break up. So what can we do? We can boo the dedication. We can urge US interviewers to keep it on the music. We can challenge the PR by writing People and all the other tabloids, and complain about the coverage they get. Build the man up for being Keith Urban, not Keith Kidman. When we do this, and I am sure all of you can think of others things to do, we will all become deprogrammers. This isn't just for fun. We might just be saving Keith Urban's life.
He shows all the signs of someone in serious need of an intervention. Here is what led me to think this:
1. Statements that lead me to believe that he is in a very depressed state.
2. Actions that are irrational and illogical.
3. Questions about what rehab really taught him.
First, I don't believe for a minute that these two have any kind of love relationship. I believe that the wife was so hurt in her first marriage that she is incapable of it. I also can see by his statements that Keith is in no better state than he has been in any of his other relationships. He seems as if he is in a deep depression and isn't coping very well.
He claims this is his first real love. That he hasn't been able to love in the past. What a terrible thing to say those women who supported him and loved him in the past. Part of growing up, Mr. Urban, is not to say someone else is the cause of my happiness or sobriety. It's to say that "this" is my journey. But, of course, when you are coerced into worshiping someone else, any form of acknowledgment gets over-dramatized. When your statements are all about being a better____, then it becomes about that, about being a better servant.
Your problems are your own, and the women that have loved you in the past have gotten you to where you are, and not all of that is bad, is it? These about not being too far from the wife away smacks of dependence. I don't see the wife changing her schedule because she doesn't have to. He appears to be making all the changes, all the sacrifices, and what for? Will he give up his career? Sounds like he just might. And, that is very scary. It is not just a PR thing anymore.
It affects all the people who work and are supported by him. It is just like being in a cult. You cast off the people around you, and what you were doing, so that you can pay better attention to the cult. You also cast off your family. Do you think Keith has? I do. He also self-mutilated himself (he got a tattoo of her name and had her initials added to another tattoo from another woman) to show his devotion. He talks about his guru in every encounter. He looks to be seeking her approval, her acceptance and forget the rest of the world.
Is this dangerous? Yes. Anyone who has gone through rehab knows rule number two, after “one day at a time”, is to NOT to enter a romantic relationship or get intense about another person, as this can become an addiction. And I think the drug of choice for Mr. Urban is his self-centered narcissistic wife, who understood, because she was indoctrinated into one of the most questionable religions around.
So, do we all walk away? No, I like the guy and I don't want to hear about the LATE Keith Urban and I think that might come if there is a break up. So what can we do? We can boo the dedication. We can urge US interviewers to keep it on the music. We can challenge the PR by writing People and all the other tabloids, and complain about the coverage they get. Build the man up for being Keith Urban, not Keith Kidman. When we do this, and I am sure all of you can think of others things to do, we will all become deprogrammers. This isn't just for fun. We might just be saving Keith Urban's life.
15 comments:
So now you are saying that if we write to all the tabloids and the like we will in essence be assisting in Keith's deprogramming?
Nice theory, but not at all realistic. First, the tabs are not going to publish our letters or write articles about our frustration with his marriage. Second, even if they did what makes you think that Keith would read it and get the message?
Maybe what we're seeing here is a man willing to do whatever it takes to keep himself happy. It doesn't necessarily have to be that all his efforts are because he's "performing" for the wife.
I will admit I had begun to question some things regarding his own family, but then he did spend mother's day with them and I took that as a good sign. Maybe his family has chosen to step back from his life and stay out of the paparazzi limelight on their own. That doesn't have to mean they are estranged, as some would have us think. After all, none of us really know how often they are in contact.
No, I don't think Keith needs to be deprogrammed - I think Keith just needs to live his life for a while the way he has laid it out and we'll just have to see how it all plays out.
Totally agree with your last paragraph notachance. It was spot on.
As for the writer...who's the delusional one? Maybe you?
Very insightful post urban myths. What wouldn't an addict do to, either keep their substance flow coming when they fall off the wagon, or what or who they will cling to, in the struggle to stay sober? And I also seriously doubt that being led around by the nose for a horse and pony show, which I believe he is, can be good for his psyche, and his continueing rehab. And you shouldnt be surprised to think that their PR flacks are only checking out the swooning fansites, for all the latest gushing about how cute he looks, but trying to gauge the mood of the consumers, who'll decide if there will be another cd and tour worth undertaking.
The last few interviews Keith has given while in Australia have been disturbing. His idea of love and relationships will keep him in therapy for years to come.
It's obvious to me that he has not laid his life out at all-he is still winging it as he goes along. I wonder what he believes in these days. Why have God and his family been relegated to the D-list?
As for saving him?
I don't know if we can. HE has to do that for the first time in his life. But we can keep him away from the Koolaid.
"So, do we all walk away? No, I like the guy and I don't want to hear about the LATE Keith Urban and I think that might come if there is a break up. So what can we do? We can boo the dedication. We can urge US interviewers to keep it on the music. We can challenge the PR by writing People and all the other tabloids, and complain about the coverage they get. Build the man up for being Keith Urban, not Keith Kidman. When we do this, and I am sure all of you can think of others things to do, we will all become deprogrammers. This isn't just for fun. We might just be saving Keith Urban's life."
I think this presupposes that Keith cares what his fans think & feel. I do not believe he does any longer. Hence, the sh!tty fanclub, the crappy M&G’s and BSE’s, lack of information or current news in a timely manner, canceling shows at the last minute...I could on & on. If he doesn’t care enough about these things, which directly effect his career, he won’t care about booing fans with nasty signs.
His choices are his and his alone. What happens to him will happen and there is nothing his fans can do about it - his family couldn’t help him avoid it - so how are we supposed to?
Keith has chosen his path.
Well Amelia, as for his personal life, yeah, i think your'e right, how he chooses to live it is up to him. But as a musican, his career is dependant on the loyalty of fans who buy his cds or go to watch his concerts. This site seems to be by fans who are disappointed in his recent actions, and want to express it . Now, who knows how many other sites out there on the net, and in the various chat rooms, blogs, etc, are expressing the same concerns? For a public figure like Urban who willingly court fan following, it should be something he needs to be concerned about. But as you say, he may not be in that sort of frame of mind right now, and I'm sure his people around him are also concerned, because it could be what may decide if he can continue to be successful.
It appears that interest in this blog has waned. I wonder why - is it because
It's just a rehash of everything already said?
They are getting increasingly ugly in nature and people are starting to pull away?
Did everyone start new jobs without internet access?
Maybe it's time for a blog with a different scent if you will. Maybe that will pull them back in and get some serious feedback. Yeah, I'm sure once our guy hits the states with his first show things will start lighting up, but why wait?
Maybe it's time for a blog with a different scent if you will.
You have the freedom to go start your own if you don't like this blog. This isn't a board that people post on frequently, it's a BLOG!
"and I'm sure his people around him are also concerned, because it could be what may decide if he can continue to be successful."
I'm not so sure about that.
All the things I mentioned are about his career - not his personal life...and these things have been issues for a while now.
Either Keith & his camp are not paying attention, or they don't care.
The pre-sale fiasco is a perfect example.
Other fanclubs treat their fans much, much better...and there is no excuse for Keith's not to be able to.
Yet, these problems still exist.
I don't think it has hit him hard enough in the pocket(book) yet.
B/c, despite fans' feelings bout everything (professional & personal) they continue to buy cd's and attend concerts.
I don't blame them, mind you, I am just pointing out that the fans have been voicing their disappointment and anger at him for a while.
And nothing gets better.
I agree with this blogger that Keith needs help. But Keith doesn't seem to think so.
So, booing isn't going to do much, if anything...he probably won't even notice. And if anything, it will just piss him off. It's not going to wake him up.
IMO, they would send a stronger message by saving their money & staying home and let him walk out onto the stage and see empty sections in the venues.
He is so into himself right now he can't see beyond what he's gotten himself into and what he has committed himself to settle for.
It's very sad.
Urban Myths said
"You have the freedom to go start your own if you don't like this blog. This isn't a board that people post on frequently, it's a BLOG!"
Well urban myths, concern trolls don't start their own blogs, they prefer to just hang around, throw stones from the sides and try to annoyingly get bloggers to conform your blog to their tedious ramblings.. Yeah, their concern is so very apparant!
amelia said:
"I'm not so sure about that.
All the things I mentioned are about his career - not his personal life...and these things have been issues for a while now.
Either Keith & his camp are not paying attention, or they don't care."
Yes i see what you mean amelia, I mean, even Elvis didnt have people around him who could keep him from burning out. Well i guess well just have to wait and see how it all turns out.. again like this blog also says, i dont think its going to turn out very well.
amelia said...
He is so into himself right now he can't see beyond what he's gotten himself into and what he has committed himself to settle for.
It's very sad.
Yes it is very sad.
maclen said...
concern trolls don't start their own blogs, they prefer to just hang around, throw stones from the sides and try to annoyingly get bloggers to conform your blog to their tedious ramblings.. Yeah, their concern is so very apparant!
Well said maclen!
I'd like to add that the wannabes are never happy. When we are all here and posting, they complain. When we are not here, they complain and ask "Where is everyone?" BTW-This blog is not about us, it's about the fraud.
banbotox said:
"BTW-This blog is not about us, it's about the fraud."
That is the perfect statement that describes this blog. Why would this blogger, who believes his marriage to kidman is just a pr sham, write lovingly about it, just to appease some malcontents, who seem far more interested in trying to rewrite the entries, and who simply criticize the content and language, rather than debate the merits of the statements.
Guess I'd rather be a "concern troll" rather than a "hate troll"....
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