It's been a while, but UM received some mail today that is very important to share...
Dear Keith,
I want to start by saying that I am a fan. I own everything you have recorded. From the 1991 record to the Ranch to all the solo studio releases. I even have two copies of Be Here; one with the black and white cover; and one with the color cover. I have spent a lot of money on your music over the years, so it is with a heavy heart that I just can't bring myself to buy Get Closer. There is a phrase in television called ‘jumping the shark’. That is when a show is older and the creativity has run out, and the shows start getting far fetched. This happened with Happy Days the season that Fonzie literally jumped a shark. I bring this up because I believe you have jumped the shark with this new record. Who is this record for, Keith? Your wife or your fans? I ask that because when you remove the fantasy of the subject of the song, the song becomes quite boring. By telling the world all the songs are about your wife you have removed the listener from the song. That is a tragedy because it means the song has no other meaning beyond your definition. The appeal of art and music in particular, is that it must move the listener to relate to something in that song. The listener must find their own meaning. By telling everyone what each song means they are losing their own personal connection. Frankly, I am not interested in your personal life. I am interested in your art, but I don't want it defined for me.
Another reason I won't be buying this record is the cover. You lied to your fans by the selection of this cover. There is no glossing over that fact. You committed fraud. Harsh, yes, I know I am being quite harsh. But the fact remains that people who work for you, with your approval, used your Facebook page to conduct a survey with the promise that the results would be used in a certain manner. Then after the cover was selected a different cover was used. That is fraud. If you are going to mislead your fans this much then you need to know that so many of us are feeling a bit deceived. Lying and cheating may be a part of your world but they aren't a part of mine and the only way that I can take a stand is to not encourage the behavior to continue. If that means one less record sold, well maybe that doesn't amount to much, but I don't think I am alone. We will all see what the sales charts say. Until then I will sit this record out and hope you can return to being someone I can respect if you are lucky enough to get a chance to record again.
Your Fan
264 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 264 of 264Linda Marie- I agree 100% with what you said. From what I had people tell me about their behavior both during the awards and after the show it was identical to what you said. However doesn't Kidman risk something if Keith falls? This obsession seems way way over the top
no one can live up to that. I mean he is an addict aren't their red flags going up somewhere in Nashville? Listen to him its really sad that someone is portraying himself to this extent
in public with his history. I don't believe and have never believed the adoration but I never thought it would be so obsessive.
I agree with you LindaMarie, this is all business as usual for KUNK. (In my opinion).
FF: Only he knows the reason as to why he is destroying his career. I believe that by destroying his career, she will no be attached to what she may perceive as a "loser". After the hook-up was to be the "power couple" and we all know how that ended up. There is a method to his madness, what the outcome of all this will bring is yet to be seen. I believe he has gone too far with this adoration but remember TC showered her with love and affection before he dropped the bomb. Keith may be doing the same. Only time will tell.
I believe he will dust himself off and reinvent his image. We all know that he can do that. We all know her hands are all over this project as she wanted. He may have had no choice in the matter. He gets paid to do what he is told to do. He will think about the consequences later.
Keith has hurt many since his hookup with her and he may feel at this point what else does he have to lose. He stands to lose a lot but the price he has paid thus far is a mere piddance as to what he may gain once this game has played out. It is sad and a shame that it had to get to this point, but I think Keith sees no other way out. Unless of course he truly believes this is "love", but for some reason I doubt it. If you can read his eyes, there is a plan at work in his head and he may have to give up, crash and burn before he can regain what he had. He knows it will never be the same as it was in 2004-2005, but he will be able to make music his way when this is all said and done. And it will be good, however I believe we may not see him for awhile until he regroups.
To be quite honest, I just found myself thinking of not prefering either of the 2 options; him really being in love to the point of obsession or him doing it all for selfish reasons. Two important questions I asked myself were:
1. Which is worse. Him ditching his family for love or for money? That's permitting he has and isn't just being discreet about it, which I highly doubt.
2. Which is worse. Him really being in love or him using her and telling a bunch of lies for his own gain?
Not really sure I'm liking either of the two, but I have to say I would think less of him for cutting ties with his family for money rather than for love. While I lean more to the PR BS, I feel that scenario makes him less of a person than him doing all this for love. However, if it is love, he needs some help because he is nothing short of being obsessed! If he's in it for the money, well that doesn't leave much to be admired.
LindaMarie, I find that hard to believe. He left alone? How so if he and Kidman were at the after party for CapNash?
You all are delusional. You're believing what you WANT to believe. You want to believe that the reason he is no longer making the good music he used to is because of her. You want to believe that the reason he's changed is because of her and her money.
Ever think maybe he's evolving and making the music he wants to make, the music he likes? People's musical interests change. It's common. Ever think he changed because he wanted to change, wanted to become better? Wanted to love?
Yeah, they're an odd couple, and no doubt do I think Nicole uses him. But he lets that happen. In my opinion, it's out of naivety of love and his new found vulnurability to it. Do I feel bad for him? Yes. Do I wish he'd step up and be a man? Yes.
Laura, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend you. I too was a HUGE KU fan, but the way he professes his love is not normal at all. He never did this in the beginning to this extreme. Why now? I stood by him and remained a fan even after he was with her...and stayed a fan up until recently. It has nothing to do with him being with someone. It has to do with a dramatic change!
What led to my remark about him acting obsessive is hearing remarks coming from a group of teenage girls that I know who WERE crazy about him. They now think he is acting "weird" when it comes to NK. These girls were die-hard fans. I'm talking posters on the walls, couldn't miss a single television performance...the crazy teenage girl stuff. One of them even said he wasn't right because he couldn't stop talking about her. If teenage girls can spot over obsession, then I'm sorry, it's overkill on his part. I'm sorry if that offends you, but people are losing interest because of this overkill with her.
Laura I understand what you are saying and I am delusional by all means. He has changed because of her. His music has, he has changed. Yes I understand people evolve but when you supposedly love someone, life has more meaning, more depth. This crap he puts out is not the best he can do. I know it, you know it.
People don't care if he is married, that is all fine and dandy but when the music suffers (and it has been - his releases since hooking up with her have taken a very long time to reach gold/platium status). He is capable of so much more and I don't believe for one minute this is the kind of crap he wants to be playing. It has not gotten him too many awards.
He did leave alone from the show and just because they were at the party, they did not go together.
If he wants to play this music, fine, so be it, but it is not what I want to listen to and before you say move on, I have basically, but these two are like an accident on the side of the road. You don't want to look but you can't help it. I will see this hookup to the bitter end and it will end. Keith is not happy with the way his career is going. He is money hungry and if he married for love, he would have gotten married to the two he actually proposed to. He may have been divorced already but he did love those two. And I am sorry, Kidman is not his once in a lifetime. It is all for show. She is an actress, a horrible one but an actress never the less. He is a man with self esteem issues. He still can't believe her blue eyes were looking at him. They were only looking at him because TC jumped the couch and she needed someone fast.
When you evolve don't you improve?
Fingers typing way too fast. Meant to say I am not delusional!
If I may venture a guess it is called his own label and a good deal of her money in his bank!!!! ((giggles)))))
Yes, this is the same deal as it was when she hired him to walk the red carpets with her so she didn't look like she was alone till she could nab another Big Named Hubby!!! Well the hubby didn't come around fast enough to beat TC to the church so she nabbed her employee and ((((whalla)))) here we are.
Now that FIASCO has turned into A BIGGER FIASCO!! Oh well you know what they say? (((THAT'S HOLLYWOOD)))))!!!((giggles)))))
FF, Well my dear Moosie Girl has had a problem for years. Look at her she is emaciated !! She has done it all. She was in a rehab when married to TC for abusing pain killers. Well that didn't stop, she carries enough crap in her cavernous to choke a horse.
Look at her hands, her hair, she has popped pills till she rattles.
Remember when KU just got out of rehab she had a party with alcohol readily available. She was seen drinking out with friends and let us not forget the wine when she was supposedly pregnant. Now she wasn't pregnant but she couldn't stay away from the glass even though she would have to take the heat for it.
She has been sheltered by the press due to her relationship with Ruppie but every once in awhile someone will put something out there that looks a little strange.
Take a peek at some of those overseas pics from a few years ago she was flying high daily!!
Hatti, that is very intersting. Sounds like a severe case of double standards to me. You can't have an alcohol or drug addiction problem, but it's okay for me. Wow, I wonder if she shares with him!
So, just for the record...the orb's single has dropped to a pittance of +15 spins over at Mediabase...
http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/insideradio/charts.asp?format=11&showtop
...and I do get a sense that the orb's single has been abandoned by the analysts over at the country chart watch forums I found yestedy at the Pulse music board...
http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=country
...and at Country Chart talk forums...
http://countrycharttalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=101&start=60
Even the new "urbananalyst" of monkeyland...jonsolo, who frequently posts over at the Pulse Music country boards...hasnt posted on orb's single in 6 days, not since Nov 9...but today HAS posted on the paisly, lambert, z brown band and george strait country charts threads! So, unless the 'urbananalyst" has a "deal" with the new "privatized" monkeyland to now just comment of orb's single at that site...his recent silence...along with most commenters at those chart watch site...does give me a sense that the single is now a lost cause! For, being #1 is the ONLY thing for the monkeys...#2 would not be good enough! Yes, no doubt with the cd about to drop tommorrow, I fully expect all the focus to now switch to that...but of course, it wouldnt be 'wise" to take their eye off the possible failure...in their eyes...of orbs first single off this cd. It would be a mistake for the monkeys to not learn from possible past mistakes!
I don't think Keith has improved musically and lyrically. I think he has regressed but if he believes this is the best of the best, then so be it. Like I keep saying, one has to have to something to be inspired by and I along with quite a few others are just not seeing it. Another thing, if life is so grand, why not a song about the real baby girl, Sunday Rose?
LindaMarie, I agree that he may think he doesn't have a choice, or that the outcome will make up for all the losses. But when those losses are family, friends, or a chance at REAL love, those are the losses than no amount of money can make up for. He just don't make sense with anything he does or says anymore. No amount of money is ever worth more than the people who love you. Money isn't a good enough reason to hurt someone in my eyes. If he has a plan, and I do say "IF" it better be a good one that will involve his family and people he loves. God knows I feel sorry for his family! I Just don't know if this charade will ever end to be completely honest. I really don't think she wants to be alone again so I don't think she will be the one to leave.
It's your own opinion whether you think his music has improved or not.
And FadingFan, I never said that his "obsession" with her was normal. But I don't know that this is an obsession either.. I think "obsession" is an exaggeration.
Maybe we're all so used to the playboy, party boy Keith that we can't adjust/accept/understand the married Keith. He talks about her a lot, yes, but that's when he's asked questions that relate to her/his family/inspiration. He doesn't just invade twitter and start yapping on about how much he loves his wife and kid. He doesn't go on Oprah and jump on couches and crap. People ask him about her and he answers. He says that she's his inspiration, so what? THEY'RE MARRIED, his wife should be his inpiration!
You think it's an obsession because it's just a change from his old self, pre-kidman. But THAT HAPPENS, you meet someone who changes you. It happens quite often, actually.
And I know about the obsessive teenagers, I used to be one. I know what obsessed is, and this is not it.
Well maclen, I'm looking for this new CD to sell exactly as you said it would - half of what Defying Gravity sold - if hes lucky! Every album sells worse than the last - because the music goes from bad to worse. Silence from his most devoted fans does give the impression that their not thrilled with Keith or his music. We'll see how many stick with him through this new strategy of making this album all about his wife. If its true that he has his own label now and that NK is backing him financially (as it appears) then there are going to be a lot more changes that the fans won't like!
So, in this edition of "Insomniac Theater 3000...
...so on the eve of the release of orb's cd...and then the start of the countdown to learn how well...or ill...the cd will sell. Because you know, that IS what IS important to "entities" who place product out there in the marketplace...I just thought I'd do a little review of what I've highlighted in regard to this release of orb's cd. When I first heard the rumors that orb may release another cd THIS YEAR...after having released a cd only last year...the warning signal lit up right away. Just as it was clear that orb's "greatest hits" cd was released only a year after orb's "poorer" selling Whole Crazy cd was released in 2007...it WAS simply to recoup the sales the Whole Crazy DIDNT get. Also, seemingly 'rush releasing' orb's new cd after only about a year and half sounded suspicious. And of course when it was made known that the orb actually only had from jan of this year to nov...11 months to get this cd written, recorded and released...the "whip' was surely brought out. Which would also explain the shabby PR this cd has gotten...two measily morning shows the week of release is VERY poor PR! Now as to the single...I usually dont give to much credance to them...I sensed it WAS important in this case because, as IMPORTANT as it was to the monkey's...this being the ONLY positive point the monkeys had left...the fact that orb's first single is struggling very badly IS an indication of for even the monkeys will have to take notice of. It clearly does not bode well for orb, that the radio "spins" for the single are noticably dwindling the 5 days prior to the cd release. Now of course, with the upcoming release of the cd tommorrow, there IS an expectation that the "buzz" for orb's song will "pick up"...and that IS something to also look to...besides the first weeks sales, of course. So, of course, along with all the other "complex" observances over orb's new cd...it is my belief that IT IS very weak. It's dropping in a VERY busy week...it WILL NOT be the #1 album for the next week...based on Rascal Flatts previous sales...I dont think orb outsells RF...my prediction of course, half the sales of orb's last cd first week sales is out there. Everything about this cd...from the music label contract restructuring....the short time to record the cd...the repetitive and recycled and shallow themes...the poor PR...all simply shouts out..."major fail!"
Choice, Keith DID reinvent himself when he hooked up with NK. He went from Keith Urban to Keith Kidman. He changed his image and his music. Thats what his former fans (who are accused of being jealous of his wife) have been saying all along. They don't care who hes married to, they liked Keith URBAN.
...encore post...
...well, I got an EXTRA kick out of reading this article from the Toronto Sun...do you think maybe the author of this interview read my comments here at Urban Myths!? Hence...
http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/music/2010/11/15/16153806.html
Keith Urban embracing intimacy
Q-I hear other '80s pop influences on the CD, from The Police to Greg Kihn to your version of Santana's Winning. Are you a big fan of that era?"
orb-You're totally hitting the nail on the head. I loved all that stuff. And I was just in that place making this record. Those '80s influences appealed to me at this stage."
...and now lets flashback to October 25, 2010...where....
maclen said...
"Now, while "Til summer comes around" was a rip off of Bread's "Guitar Man"... "Long Hot summer" is clearly a rip off of a mixture of The Police's "DOnt stand so close to me"....
"Don't Stand So Close To Me - The Police"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvfb8GcKAWs
and Greg kihn's "The Break up song"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMVyH_aR_Cw
...the orb even throws in a... "uh uh uh, uh uh, uh uh uh...as in Kihn's lyric..."Weve broken up for good just an hour before UH uh uh, uh uh, uh uh uh...
Well I said it before, and I'll say it again... orb's music IS JUST SO DERIVATIVE! I can hear so many lifts off of so many songs! So when you finally listen to orb's "Long Hot Summer...listen for the Police's "Dont stand so close to me" and Greg kihn's "The Breakup song"...if your aware of those songs...you will definately hear them!
...so again, the author of this interview either has one gosh darned great ear for the "tunes"...or again as I mentioned...he read my post above! And, yes... orb is PROUD of his "derivativeness"...he must have picked that up from the totally derivative richard marx.
"Maybe we're all so used to the playboy, party boy Keith that we can't adjust/accept/understand the married Keith."
Laura, that may be true for you or some, but not for me. I didn't even become a fan until 2005 and remained one up until a few months ago. Now, you tell me if that sounds like I'm dogging on him being obsessed because of his wife. No, it's clear as day that is not my reason, nor do I want the "party" and single Keith to be once again. I wasn't listening to him before Kidman. However, I do agree the music pre-kidman was much better. That is what made me a fan in the first place was starting to hear that stuff. If you don't think he is gone overboard and that this is all overkill, you are in the minority on that one because even his fans that are sticking by his side are saying he is shoving her down everyone's throat. One sign of obsessioin is constantly talking about someone, which he does ALL the time...not just when he's asked. He could have thanked more people on his new CD, but he thanked her and ONLY her. He could mention his parents now and then (you know the people that brought him into this world and stuck by his side while he struggled his way to the top, but no, they are has beens to him. Family doesn't just consist of you spouse. He IS obsessed with constantly bringing her into whatever he is saying AND doing. He can't even perform a song without saying her name anymore either. Once again, for me, don't blame me for being one who is upset simply because I want him single again. I became a fan in 2005. You do the math. The letter from the "Your Fan" is clearly another fan who is fed up with it, and I've read similar comments on other websites...not just this one. Even his own facebook page had comments from FANS that said they were sick of everything being about NK. Take the first flight back to reality and you might just see what I finally seen a few months ago after spending 5 years of my life being a devoted fan. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm simply telling you to do what I told myself to do.
"Maybe we're all so used to the playboy, party boy Keith that we can't adjust/accept/understand the married Keith."
I'm adding in on Fading Fan's comments about this comment. Many, and I mean many of Keith's fans were not aware of the playboy, party boy Keith. I remember being told by another fan that Keith got his own tour bus because he didn't like all the drinking and screwing the groupies that the band was doing, so he got his own place, so they could continue doing what they were doing. He was believed to be the barefoot poet.
It wasn't until Keith hooked up with Nic that all his dirty laundry was exposed to his fan. So sorry, I'm not believing the difference between playboy, party Keith and married Keith because we weren't aware of any of that going on at the time.
so there are people out there who actually think the music is better since 2005?
Obsession is a concept that Keith Urban is very familiar with.
Tara, Sorry, I may not have made it clear. I became a fan in 2005 because someone turned me on to his music prior to that time. I used to hate country music to be honest. I am definitely a fan of the music before NK and some of the songs after her, but not near as many. However, there were songs that I did not necessarily like on the CDs that were great in concert. Sorry if I was confusing on that. I became a fan in 2005but enjoy the music from pre-nicole much more. I was trying to make the point that my opinions had nothing to do with the fact that he was married, and since I didn't become a fan until 2005, that proves the theory wrong that I am only being critical because he is married.
I don't argue that his music has evolved, I just believe that his music has evolved in the wrong way for a "happily giddy married man of 43". I put this latest bash of pop tarts right up there with "Sugar, Sugar" by the Archies. It is not flattering to him and his mind set is that of a star struck obsessed teen. He is no different than Taylor Swift, only she uses bigger words than he has been and while I think she can't carry a note in a basket, her lyrics are clever and thought provoking. Keith doesn't leave much to the imagination. He loves her, goody goody for him. Nothing thought provoking there. Nothing that may help people anybody unless there is a first dance song in the mix.
I knew of the party boy Keith, but he kept it hidden well.I knew of his womanizing ways, but he covered up that pretty good. I knew he was a liar, most celebs are. There is an image to maintain and when you are so tightly wrapped in that plastic bubble sometimes it is hard to stay there. Then came Kidman who turned his private life into a living hell by tossing stuff out there so she can become the savior, the forgiver of evil cheating sins. What was once fascination on his part quickly became devastation as he was "trapped" into something that he couldn't get out of but we are not going there again.
His obsession with his wife is not healthy. Not for an addict who I believed went from one addiction to another. Her. It is beyond a "I love my wife" thing now. His world totally evolves around his wife and his family, the ones that used to matter so much to him are out of the loop. There is a good reason for that, but that part of this bizarre hook-up is yet to come
I always said Kidman will be his swan song. Stay tuned.
LindaMarie, thanks a lot. Now I got that stupid song in my head...
"sugar sugar." Just kidding. I always enjoy reading what you have to say!
mikki said...
"Well maclen, I'm looking for this new CD to sell exactly as you said it would - half of what Defying Gravity sold - if hes lucky! Every album sells worse than the last - because the music goes from bad to worse. Silence from his most devoted fans does give the impression that their not thrilled with Keith or his music."
Well mikki, I realize trying to make even a generalized prediction when it comes to the numbers...I just feel that all the signs point to a monumental flop! And add to that the seemingly "concidence" that the monkeyland site has locked themselves away from mocking eyes...also at about the time the single is doing so poorly...I imagine the "mocking' comments from this site is NOTHING compared to what the monkey's own comments will be if it does turn out this cd is a flop!
I watched the 30 minute program
which was one long music video with
a lot of Keith bending over backwards trying to sell this music.
Kidman makes an appearance as does Sunday. But I noticed that he was really trying to sell the music funny
when it comes time to sell it its about music but when he is in the media its about her. He can't have it both ways.
Fading and Linda totally agree with you both.
I have read about seven or eight reviews and with the exception of one most of the critics like the record for what it is. My problem is they know how good a musician he is and no one challenges him about not trying harder. Guess they have given up too.
...so...here's another example of orb's "new PR strategy"...
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=12163609
Keith Urban Promotes New Record at Philly Station
"Urban promoted his new album, "Get Closer," in stops at New York's Penn Station and 30th Street Station in Philadelphia on Tuesday. He sang five songs, including several off the new record, and squeezed in a short sample of Elton John's "Philadelphia Freedom" for the home crowd."
...more like another pathetic case of "be like swifty"...
http://www.pressparty.com/pg/newsdesk/taylorswift/view/14455/
Taylor Swift plays airport gig
"Taylor Swift stunned travellers when she played a five-song acoustic set for thirty contest winners and their guests at the JetBlue terminal in John F. Kennedy International Airport last night."
...so it's orb's comical version of "Planes, Trains and Automobiles!" Yes...orb WOULDNT want to be THAT obvious as playing in a plane terminal! HA! Perhaps orb needs a new "TRAIN" of thought...and originality! Trying to set himself beside the PR juggernaut that is swifty is just plain silly...but not obviously, if your as desperate as orb! As now, the rabid monkeys are at this moment rushing out to their local "Tar-jay" to get his new cd...BUT...presumably NOT his standard 8 track cd. (hey, didnt "8 tracks" go out of style in the late 70's?") I get a feeling the drastically "diffent' versions of the standard and deluxe cd will be a huge mistake...as implemented by the orb's "brain trust!" The standard cd only has 8 original songs...and the deluxe has 3 more original songs...plus extras...on the cd availiable ONLY at Target...now some may point out that swift ALSO sold a deluxe cd only at Target also...and swifty sold a million cds! BUT, as I mentioned last week...swifty's standard cd is 14 tracks...AND her Deluxe cd at Target also contains those 14 tracks...plus extras. So people COULD buy swifty's standard 14 track cd...ANYWHERE...Borders...amazon...
Kmart...and still get the complete original 14 tracks which are also o the deluxe cd!
Now, they could buy orb's cd anywhere as well..but again, it would be 3 original tracks short of the deluxe version. So their only option is to get the deluxe version at Target for the "complete version"...and that is a miscalculating "overlook" that truly limits his fansies option of where to get his "NEW" cd!
If you think it's an obsession then you guys don't know what an obsession is.
& FadingFan, I purchased his CD today, and Keith has a full page of thank yous, he thanks EVERYONE. His band mates, producers, the fans, everyone, EVEN Bella and Connor.
I think y'all need to check your sources before you jump to conclusions, believe everything you read, or assume things.
And by the way, I do love Keith's old stuff, and I'm not saying it's not better than his new stuff, but "Get Closer" is actually more enjoyable than I thought it'd be.
You'd probably be able to enjoy it too if you'd focus on his music rather than his personal life. I don't like Kidman but I won't let her ruin the music that I enjoy...
Laura, Well I'm thrilled that you are still able to enjoy his music, and I hope you can listen to it without having her thought cross your mind with every song now that he has pounded it everyone's head that they are exclusively about her. It shouldn't be too hard to forget with her picture on the cover. Enjoy your cd!
Well maties, at least he will survive!! He can always play cruise ships!! When the both of them have no work and no one really cares where they are, they can start off with Love Boat Two!! I don't know how many tickets will sell, but they can sail on towards the sunset together!!!
At least we will be out of our misery!! (((giggles)))
FF, I truly believe he is not going to do anything to jeopardize the money he is getting or will get when it is all said and done!!!!((giggles))))
Laura, it was KU that focused us on his private life. We would be very happy to leave it all sooooo all alone!!!
And personally I think it's a bit off key to thank your wife's abandoned children!!!!(((giggles)))
"FF, I truly believe he is not going to do anything to jeopardize the money he is getting or will get when it is all said and done!!!!((giggles))))"
Well Hatti, that doesn't say much for him does it? I really money is important, but if you have to hurt people, shut the door on your family, and tell lies to get it, it really isn't worth it. Respect and integrity are priceless!
I understand how you feel FF. But a contract is a contract. I don't believe KU wanted it to ever be anything but what it truly was. Now here we are the biggest lie I have seen in quite awhile, but it is HW matie !!
I think it is amusing for Moosie girl to think we could possibly believe this mess.
He has terms he must live by drinking and carrousing are not allowed!! He has to be where she wants him to be when she wants him to be there. So he does it. She wants a CD dedicated to her and her so called presence on the cover it is done. She wants him to spew crap he does.
I know it's hard, but when you look at it that way it is believable.
Hatti, yeah I know what you're saying, but it's disappointing coming from someone that once appeared very genuine and down to earth. Money makes things a whole lot easier, but I'm sure it makes certain things a whole lot harder as well.
Yes matie, I'm not sure KU didn't bite off more then he can chew. But you know we all learn from our mistakes.
I think he was genuine till this happened. I think he had to swallow a few hard decisions. Well he did and now we can sit and watch it all sink.
I will say this, no one will ever be able to rope him into anything ever again.
This was a five long year education. He has a Masters degree in knowing the ropes!! ;)
It amazes me that, whenever proven wrong, none of you ever seem to acknowledge it. You are in denial. Delusional.
So, have you all managed to read the thank-yous inside the CD? No? Let me know when you get to that, be careful not to be blind-sided by your own stupidity, know it alls.
You know what? You complain that it's all about Kidman, but HELLO! YOU MAKE it all about Kidman!
Maclen, I have a question for you, and I apologize becuse I know somewhere you touched on it, so I hope I'm not making you repeat yourself.
What do you think he is going to do with this new label in the near future? Do you think he will leave it be until his 2011 tour is over, or do you think he has songs ready to go and could possibly push out another cd by summer? Hence making his tour not a 1 cd tour but a 2-cd tour. If the songs are written and ready to go, how much time would finanilizing take. If what some think is true, and this cd doesn't do well, will he take good stuff he is sitting on and whip out a good cd before his tour? I know that takes time, but if the songs and music are done, that's the hardest part! Or do you think this is new label will be on the back burner for a while.
Laura, I was simply repeating what was in an article that I did not write. I'm not the one that needs to acknowledge I was wrong. Talk to the author of that article. If you are not interested in knowing how people feel on both sides of this, why do you even read this. Sorry, but I will not apologize for my opinions based on what I see and what I hear. I told you once that I was sorry and didn't mean to offend you, but I am not going to keep doing that. If this stuff offends you, you shouldn't be reading it. When I was fan, I didn't come to these sites to read all the negative. I read the positive. I am not delusional and you really need to stop calling us all that just because you don't like our opinions. The fans that think he has changed for the positive are the ones that are not looking at the whole picture. I don't just state negative things. I said not too long ago I like Georgia Woods and thought it would be great in concert. That doesn't mean my opinions have changed on the other end. I can see the positive and the negative...but more and more the negative is outweighing the positve.
If I may add my two cents to the question you're posing to maclen. Have you noticed on a website he has asked people to send their songs in so KU can sing them or whatever. I just passed by it, I didn't really investigate. I have an idea he is looking for new talent to work with and recruit for his new label. So I believe once he starts to sign new talent on we will see it move forward.
I believe as long as he is tied to the living, breathing, Titanic it will not grow quickly!!!!
What do you think maclen?
I for one hope he gets back to basics with this label. I wasted my money on that last CD - this time around I will download what I like, if anything.
I wish I could get past who he married, but she is like a sore throat, she keeps coming back until you take care of it. If he purposely said this whole shebang was inspired by her, then we can't forget and I for one don't need that visual in my head.
I took out my Bon Jovi records and found Chris Young and Darius Rucker to be new faves. Until Keith can go back to form, this label will mean nothing to the fans. It will be the Baby Girl and The Artist formerly known as Keith Urban show.
So any news on how the CD is doing?
Laura, please stop calling us delusional. Have I called you anything? You are entitled to your opinion and the rest of can be entitled to ours. I know Keith will thank everybody eventually but nobody cares about that because it is all about Kidman doncha know. I don't have to read it to prove anybody wrong. It will all come out in the wash eventually. I will sit and wait as the train eventually derails.
"If he purposely said this whole shebang was inspired by her, then we can't forget and I for one don't need that visual in my head."
LindaMarie, I couldn't agree more. He isn't telling us we have to like her, but what he is doing is forcing us to have to put up with hearing about her ALL time time if we want to be a fan. He is forcing us to have to hear him sing "baby girl" in his live performances. Out of all the performances of PYIAS I have seen, not once have I seen him not say "baby girl" in any of them. That's not to say he hasn't sang a version without it, but I haven't seen any. He might as well come out and say, "If you want to be a fan of mine you have to deal with hearing me talk about her and include her nickname in my live performances." I don't have to be forced to do anything. If that is his attitude, I will pass. I never thought I would get to this point, but his reluctance to keep his personal life separate has caused me to take a huge leap away from his music. There is no self-interpretation of these songs. They were already defined for us.
Hey Maclen, thanks for that link!
http://countrycharttalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=209&sid=c86c26af131a2ddbdcfc92102467e9bd
Fading Fan said...
"Maclen, I have a question for you, and I apologize becuse I know somewhere you touched on it, so I hope I'm not making you repeat yourself.
What do you think he is going to do with this new label in the near future?"
Well, clearly orb is in a "restructuring' mode. He was due to renegotiate his contract with capnash...ended up with what I feel is the "as good as he could get" newly structured "non-traditional" deal with capitol. Orb's "label" is basically, now that capnash doesnt get as big of piece of orb's revenues...they are no longer in the "orb business" That may be why orb's PR for this cd is such a pittance...and ultimately why his single is flailing...and he's simply mimicking swifty. I think it does depend on how the new cd performs. If he considers the cd a "success"...he coasts on in into next year...and presumably his tour. I have no doubt with the new no "360 effects" in his newly structured contract with capitol...live touring WILL now be his biggest revenue...and a new priority. I certainly dont think it will be in cd sales. And I definately thought when I heard about that "songwriter" contest...orb WAS perhaps looking to become a "music mogul". BUt he is clearly looking to "adjust" to a new marketing strategy...but for now, it is basically..."do what swifty does"...make a deal with Target to put out a "deluxe cd"...make a Target commercial...weekly releases of songs on itunes...and now play a "surprise" gig at a train/plane terminal...and perhaps some of her success will rub off on him! HIs new cd is just "cookie cutter" more of the same ol' same ol'...he shows NO originality in his PR...and his theme for the cd is now as dull and bland as a kidman indie flick...I mean, what is there in it to NOT see an oncoming debacle?
Are we really delusional?
A friend of mine, who I met as a fan of Keith's, came to a complete stop and no longer followed him once the circus began and then it was backed up with lousy music. During this absence, she didn't realize that CRod was no longer in the band until she saw Keith's performance at the CMAs the other night. She asked me what is wrong with him? First Steve, then Chad and now CRod, and well, I said CRod's departure was quite some time ago as I didn't think she had removed herself that much. She also wasn't impressed with this performance nor the song. So not only has one fan taken a break, but now he sealed the deal, and she no longer cares to hear any of his music. How many disappointments should a fan continue to embrace?
Continuing to embrace what he has to offer and thinking it is the greatest thing since sliced bread is delustional!
"A delusion is a fixed belief that is false."
I said this referring to the fact that you all think you are right about everything, even when proven wrong.
So, if you believe you are right, when you are clearly wrong, then you are DELUSIONAL!
I am not saying you all are wrong about everything, there are a lot of things that you say that I agree with. But whenever you ARE wrong, you do not achkowledge it/admit it, which tells me that you think you are always right.
I am sorry if I was being mean, but your words (wishing him bad luck in his life, i.e her leaving him, him becoming unsuccessful) is not so nice, either, in fact it disgusts me. Like him or not, you should never wish bad on someone.
Tbh, I can't stand his wife. She seems like a diva, and I wish he'd find someone better, but for all we know, she could be a truly beautiful person. I come here because I am a skeptic about HER, but still a fan of HIM.
And I never said his new stuff was better than his old stuff.. never said that once, cause I do not think that. I like the new stuff, but I love the old stuff more. I, like you, miss the old Keith, too. But I am not going to stop being a fan because he's now a married man...?
I do wish he'd shut up about her, however, if you do not like it, don't listen to it. Skip it and listen to the music... It's as simple as that. I will listen/watch some of his interviews because even though I know she'll probably be brought up, I still like to hear what he has to say about the music and the industry and such. He talks about her a lot, yes, but that's not the ONLY thing he talks about.
He still has to use some of his old songs to boost this CD. Just like he did with DG. We can see these songs are not of his caliber but I do think he is going through the motions of promoting this b/c she has her big bucks tied up in it.
Maybe he just isn't interested any longer. He has been in this game alot of years maybe he really is just doing it b/c he is committed to promoting Moosie girl. Only time will tell.
no she isn't the only thing he is talking about why on Today he talked about the flood, and the new songs and her. He used to be funny and articulate.
I did notice that in interviews in recent days he is saying the songs shouldn't be taken to be believed that they are about his life with her. I don't think he can have it both ways.
Oh brother, He opens his big mouth and says she is the inspiration for this CD. And now he wants to revise that remark?? ((giggles))) NOT !!!!!
Yes there are a few songs that Moosie girl is not the topic but very few. And after all he said people are not going to even take the chance. They will pick the songs they like from itunes and leave the CD in the store!!
I have to tell you this is so much fun. Not that I want KU to totally fall on his face but to know he has to back peddle to try to save this is really funny!! :D
Laura, Since you have the CD, is there any mention of a thank to his parents? His brother? Or are the only "family" thank yous to NK and her children? I'm just curious.
Laura, let me explain to you why I lost my faith in Mr. Urban. This marriage is obviously 1 of 3 things.
1. He loves her. If that is the case, I'm sorry, but he has made it all about her in the last 6+ months. Yes, he used to mention her but not to the extent he does now. I was a fan for 4 1/2 years, but it got to the point that every time I listened to him, he couldn't speak without mentioning her. He pulled a fast one on his cd cover, which I felt was very wrong! What next, is she going to be in his music videos?
2. He is using her for the money. Not worthy of having my devotion as a fan if that's the case. It isn't written anywhere that a musician has to use people to work his way to the top. If that is the case, I have no respect for him. I don't like the fact that if he is using her for personal gain that he put his real family on the back burner. I don't care what class of wealth someone is in...it isn't right.
3. She is holding something serious over his head. If that is the case, I will bend down and apologize for anything negative I have said or thought...permitting on what it is and in fact that this is the case.
I'm happy that you are able to still enjoy the music. I wish I could. I really do. I enjoyed the hell out of his live performances and had a blast every time I went. However, I can't listen to the new stuff without a vision of her, nor do I think this is anywhere near the quality of music he can put out. Maybe if he wouldn't have constantly reminded everyone that the songs were about her, I may have given the songs more of a chance, but I'm sorry, he ruined it for me.
biteme said...
"Hey Maclen, thanks for that link!"
http://countrycharttalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=209&sid=c86c26af131a2ddbdcfc92102467e9bd
Your very welcome biteme...I was really getting a kick out of reading that "urbananalysis chart" thread at monkeyland...that is until they locked it from mocking eyes! Now, it continues to be hyterical to read about the "increasing" monkey members who have been "forsaken" by the new monkeyland layout...that apparently does NOT ALLOW some prior members to post in the message boards! They are now flowing over to the Country Chart talk forum to fret out the single's performance...or more the lack thereof! Although I do feel somewhat sympathetic to these unfortunate monkeys...it IS somewhat humorous to read their "roller coaster" moods! IT seems it all depends on orb spins on mediabase...the numbers are up, they are UP...the numbers are down...they are DOWN! But of course...they ALL "LURVE" the cd...and they are just stumped as to why the single could be struggling! So today, orb's numbers are slightly up...so it's a sunny day!
So, the early projections on orb's cd sales are coming in. Billboard "projects"..
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i3b8c335aabd0637469f3da6be5ccef09
Chart Outlook: Susan Boyle’s ‘Gift’ Likely to Remain No. 1 Next Week
November 17, 2010
"Rascal Flatts' "Nothing Like This" and Keith Urban's "Get Closer" might each sell about 160,000 to 170,000."
...Really? He "might" sell about 160 to 170k cds? I'll believe that...only when I see it! And of course he MAY...but according to these "projections"...for example by Billboard...how accurate are their early "projections?" Well, I checked last weeks early projections by Billboard sites...
http://foreign.peacefmonline.com/entertainment/201011/104250.php
Susan Boyle Battles Taylor Swift for No. 1 on Billboard 200
Date: 11-Nov-2010
"Boyle's second album, "The Gift," released yesterday (Nov. 9) is perhaps headed for a start of around 250,000 copies sold by week's end on Nov. 14 according to industry prognosticators."
Todays "prediction" for Boyles cd is now...
"Industry prognosticators suggest that the Christmas-flavored "Gift" could sell upwards of 300,000 copies by week's end on Nov. 21."
...now that's a 50k difference from week to week. And early "projections" for swifty's first week's sales were between 700k to 800k...and of course, swifty actually sold 300k to 200k MORE cds than "projected" with over 1 mil sales! So, basically the "projections for the top sellers have "under" scored the actual sales. So, then the question IS...will orb's "undersell" or "oversell" the early projected number? Even at 50k...that is could be huge to orb! Like I said, I'll wait for the ACTUAL number!
Does this woman have any clue at all on how to dress a child...hmmm...maybe a hat and coat would have been nice since they both had on winter coats and it was apparently cold out!
http://justjared.buzznet.com/photo-gallery/2496310/nicole-kidman-apt-01/
She probably just took Sunday away from the Nanny to hold her for the photo op to get to the car. With that little stroll to the limo she wiped out most of Keith's PR for the CD didn't she? Nothing is done without reason for that nutjob.
Fading Fan, He did thanks Mum, Dad, Shaune, Jennifer, their kids. All the Kidmans, Bella and Connor.
After seeing those pictures Fading Fan, I'm really feeling sorry for Sunday Rose. You can see how windy it is in the pictures. Keith and Nicole are all bundled up. I'm not exactly understanding what she has on Sunday Rose. The print of that shirt does look like something a grandma wore back in the 50's, and that sweater by no means can be called cute - boyish looking.
ShutUpAndSing, I'm glad to hear that he thanked them. That rests a little easier with me knowing he acknowledged his parents and brother.
Blue sky, I agree with your empathy for little Sunday. This isn't the first time I've seen NK all bundled up and that little girl with no coat or hat. I would say that the woman literally has no common sense at all, but she seems to have enough to put a coat on herself.
I agree that I am glad he has brains enough to thank other people than his wife. Call me cynical if you wish, but he thanks Bella and Connor, but yet he never speaks of his step-children as his family and when does he see them? Will they even read this thank you and think it is heartfelt?
FadingFan, I understand what you are saying completely.
What he did with the CD cover was wrong, I agree.
If he loves her, which I BELIEVE, I don't know but believe, that he does, then there is nothing wrong with that. But he should keep his private life seperate from his professional one.
If he is using her for money, he's not worthy of having my devotion as a fan, either. However, I strongly believe this is not the case. He probably has more money than she does now after the huge downfall in her career!
And last but not least, if she is holding something over his head... I would not doubt it.
I also agree with you that this isn't the best quality of music he can do. He can do better, but I feel like he does what he can to please HER.
See, I believe Keith loves her. I also believe he is a little desperate for love. I feel like he's so whipped, that she has complete control over him. And it's sad. Because he could be with someone else. I honestly feel that she doesn't treat him right and he's too weak to step up and tell her who's boss. I hope this is not the case. I do feel sorry for him though...
Laura, I realize there is the possibility that he loves her, or at least thinks he does. At one time I thought he did too. Now, however, I have to lean more to that he doesn't. I've seen so many pictures (and there are a lot) when he doesn't know the cameras are on him. He just doesn't look happy at all Laura. When neither of them know the cameras are on them, both of them look miserable. You always know when she knows the cameras are on them because she will be smiling. Sometimes I think she knows and doesn't bother telling him. For instance, the link I just posted showing poor Sunday without a coat. He looks miserable! She is smiling in almost all of the photos. That's not the first time I've seen her doing that. There are so many pics out there where he looks miserable. Most paps stay far away and use their super zoom lenses to where he probably doesn't have a clue his pic is even being taken. I don't know. That's just my thoughts on it. The latest link I posted, the day care photos, the yogurt stop they made last summer, etc. There are a bunch. Maybe he is in love, but I see unhappiness unless the cameras are on him and he knows it. Then he's all smiles. As far as their money. I just looked that up on the internet the other day. Her net worth is supposedly $200 million. His $40 million. Heck, I'd settle for $1 million. I'm not greedy!!!
Laura, I'm sorry but she is the boss. She pays him a very healthy salary to say the stupid things he says. This is the same overkill we had when Awfulstralia was in the running. When it hit the skids it was over.
In this case they both have something that they need to promote. She has to work overtime b/c she has money tied up in RH as well as his CD. He has to try to get this CD off the ground so she at least recoops her investment.
He is doing the overkill to try to get fans to really believe what she has always wanted us to believe. That this is real and not a contract. Well it is not going to work.
KU told us along time ago not everything is what it seems. Yes KU, this is certainly not what you are trying to make it seem!!!!
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